Eben Ray: We're going to talk about another fraud of galactic order. Ah, William Lyne is here. Ah, he is a gentleman that has, ah, been there and done that. He's been within the military-industrial complex. He's been within the intelligence complex. He was invited to stay but decided to exit, stage right. He is the author of three fantastic books, Pentagon Aliens, ah, Occult Ether Physics, and Occult Science, ah, Dictatorship. All three of those are available, ah, from his website at, ah, William Lyne, ah, dot com. [http://lyne4lyne.tripod.com/] And he joins us in this second hour. Ahm, and the great thing, of course, ah, about, ah, speaking with someone that has a background knowledge not only in Intel. in the military but also, ah, in the arts. Is how that kind of mind, ah, has the creative, unconventional bent to be able to look at things, ah, that are right in front of his eyes and decipher the patterns and, ah, and not be able to be controlled in a way that the military usually sets up its members to be controlled. And that's why, when he got offered something, when he got offered to join the boy's club, ah, he knew, ah, that he didn't want to be that kind of homo sapien. He wanted to be something evolving, not stunting, not abusive. Ah, and, ah, wanted to do what is right in this incarnation here. And so, I want to thank William Lyne for joining us here on KPFK. Welcome sir, and thank you so much for being here.
William Lyne: All right and thank you for inviting me.
Eben Ray: Yes sir.
William Lyne: So, were we, were we on the air just a few minutes ago?
Eben Ray: No, we were just chattin' a little bit. We're now, we are now with the folks of, of Los Angeles and, ah, San Diego and Santa Barbara. And, ah, you are talking to ah, as a resident angel out there in New Mexico to the angels out here. So, it's great to have you.
William Lyne: All right. Thank you.
Eben Ray: Now, when I look at your bio and what you've ahm, where you've come from, it seems that something about the National Security Act of 1947 really changed the nature of the relationship between you and the military and also between, ah, our government and the military and the United States. What is it about the National Security Act that, that so offends you?
William Lyne: Well for one thing it was never approved by Congress. It was just, it just went into effect by ah, you know, Executive decrees. So, it never was subjected to the scrutiny of Congress to approve or disapprove of it. It was basically fah-, when the CIA was re-formed in 1947 it was formed around a matrix of ah, Nazis! Ah, so you find their organization which was called ah, ah, Reichsicherheithauptamte, ah, translates to National Security Agency – Division 6. (clears throat) And that was a div-, a division of the Gestapo that, that handled all the innermost secrets. That's the group that was headed by Reinhardt Gehlen, who was the, ah, top mastermind, ah, you know, the top spy in Germany, the spymaster, so to speak. And he's the one that, ahm, worked out at the, they all come over here and [Operation Paperclip] became part of the CIA and they basically, ah, just reorganized the whole intelligence apparatus, ah, you know, along the Nazi lines, ah, because they had been so successful at it. And, ah, (clears throat) at least according to our government. I, I look at it like this. Those that lost the war didn't have better stuff, you know.
Eben Rey: (chuckles)
William Lyne: And, ah, I would think that imitating your, your, you know, your defeated, you know, opponent is a little ridiculous. But that's happened throughout history. Ah, the Romans imitated the worst part of the Greek Republic, ah, when they conquered the, the Greeks. And so, you know, it just goes on down through history of people, of conquers repeating, or copying their, you know, the people they just defeated, you know.
Eben Ray: Then what is the benefit, ahm, from the unilateral implementation of a National Security Act of, of 1947, ah, to the, to the Republic of, ah, America?
William Lyne: Well, it's just an un-American organization that, that the Founding Fathers didn't want to be involved in, because that's the same thing that happened in Europe, all the intrigues, and, ah, and so forth, spying and surveillance and controls and so forth, manipulations. And this is, this is not really an American way to operate.
Eben Ray: Is it a perpetuation of war?
William Lyne: Definitely. I mean, look what we're doing. I mean, you know, Obama promises to ah, go into Afghanistan and people have elected him. (clears throat) They weren't paying attention. (clears throat) They, they wanted to get, they wanted to end the Iraq War so bad. They were …. It was like a shell game. You're looking at the wrong shell. And the pea is under another shell, you know, which is a increasing a sel- ah…. This is what Tom Lehrer, you know, …. You remember the, ah, Harvard lampoonist, the professor that played the piano and sing and play some records? He called that accelerando.
Eben Ray: hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.
William Lyne: And he did a song like that about Accelerando, you know, about who, the, you know, the Poles ate the Russians and blah, blah, blah, and I don't love anyone very much.
Eben Ray: Right, right.
William Lyne: And, ah, it's just, ah, you know, it's a way ta-, you know we're exhausting our resources with these incessant wars. That's the way the Greek Republic fell. They, they were involved in the Peloponnesian Wars incessantly. And it finally collapsed their state. And Russia got involved in a war in Afghanistan and it exhausted their resources and, and brought down the Soviet state. And it, what makes us so special that we can go over there and micromanage the Afghanis. You know, we're not going to change them. You know, the Bush bunch wanted to turn them into right-wing conservative republicans, you know. And that would be what they would call victory, when all the Afghanis were right-wing conservative Christian republicans. That is not gonna, that was not going to happen. And now you've got Obama over there doing the same thing, only ah, slightly different. It's a right-wing, right-wing, ah, liberal democrats. You know, and that's not going to happen.
Eben Ray: hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.
William Lyne: Ah, whatever the Afghanis are going to do is going to be determined by them. And when we leave, which, assuming that we'll ever leave, it's, it will return to whatever they want. Ah, we can't change that. We can't change history. We can't change the culture. And it's ridiculous. We don't have the money to do that. We can't afford to spend all our resources and money doing that to some foreign country.
Eben Ray: I guess we can see a….
William Lyne: They use these little things like, 'Oh, we're setting up schools for girls.' Well, how wonderful, you know, that we're setting up girls schools. Well, that's, that's in defiance to Muslim law and they're not going to let it last. If they don't want it, it's not going to last.
Eben Ray: Right. Well, I guess we can, we can just look at what's happening in Iraq ah, to see that all of our good intentions have ah, just lately killed over a hundred and thirty people. Ah, ….
William Lyne: Well, I wrote a letter to the newspaper saying, 'we're sticking our head in a meat grinder.' You know, we can't hope to succeed in these pa-, areas. What makes us think we're so special, you know? The British defeated themselves in, they, they burned themselves out over there fer-, you know, for years and years (clears throat) and, ah, there's no reason for us to believe that we can succeed where all these other peoples have, ah, not succeeded. (coughs)
Eben Ray: Do you need to go get some water real quick?
William Lyne: No, I'm fine now. I just….
Eben Ray: Yah, just had to go clear some pipes. Absolutely. Well, well, something about the National Security Act and the, ah, Security State, ah, is the privilege of secrecy which is what we keep hearing whenever we want to, ah, delve into some of the transgressions of, ah, against the Republic by our government is that they 'cannot reveal this information,' ah, 'because of National Security secrets'. And …
William Lyne: Well, it all comes down to this, ah, you know, secrecy, ah, by its very nature is to cover up illegal acts. It's all, everything that's secret is illegal!
Eben Ray: Yah, or else they'd tell us. (laughing) They'd be proud to tell us.
William Lyne: Yah. And, ah, so, what they're doing is covering up. For instance, in the case of UFO technology, they're covering up technology so that we don't have it. Under, ah, …. The excuse they're using is "National Security,' the magic words. Ah, what, tell me what is in the national security interest of something that's been concealed for 65 or 70 years. What could it possibly be? You know, that's so secret, that's so wonderful, you know, that, ah, doing us any good because these things aren't used in warfare. These UFOs are not being used in warfare. They're strictly man-made machines. There's nothing alien or paranormal about them at all. But the, ah, the idea of using the paranormal was something the Nazis came up with. Ah, actually, the father of parapsychology was some, some pi-, some refer to, to the guy as Hitler's guru, was, ah, ah, Hans Hoerbiger, who was a nut case, you know, guy who jabbered a whole bunch of crazy stuff. And was considered the father of parapsychology. And, ah, so, you know, here they. … It's just a way, just a way of manipulating minds. They called it a mass psychology, ah, technique.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: And it was actually studied, ah, by the Tavistock Institute under Rockefeller sponsorship and funding. And, ah, and taught to the SS.
Eben Ray: Let me, ah, let me ask, because this is, ah, the basis of your writings, ah, that you're saying that all the UFO activity that we are seeing around this planet is man-made.
William Lyne: Yes.
Eben Ray: And what I am wondering then, ah, is that where, necessarily, ah, did …. Why would anybody have to go so far as to, ahm, as to come up with the, the scenario, to come up with the craft to build these and continue, ah, this hoax if at some point we really didn't have a U-, you know, some kind of the craft, ah, crash here of, of other origins. And we then assume the position of this, of this power instead of letting that power represent itself? Do you know? I mean, it's just like can we think of something ah, that we haven't, ah, experienced in, in the natural, ah, environment? I mean, why would we even go to building UFOs if we hadn't experienced one before?
William Lyne: Well, the, the whole thing began with a private individual, ah, Nikola Tesla. And hi-, this stuff is so fantastic they're still hiding his, his documents and materials, that is, the important stuff has been hidden by the government since 1943. They haven't turned loose of a single, ah, iota of it. And, ah, so, all we have is the historical material, the stuff that, that had been published at the time of Tesla's death. At the time of Tesla's death the stuff that the government could not retrieve, there's clues in that material to lead to some of the basic fundamentals that are involved and how the UFO flies, but the whole idea is to conceal this technology cause it will ruin so many (clears throat) archaic industries, which is basically what we're being run by is a bunch of industrial corporations. And, ah, the, they're based on archaic technology. And that's where all their investments are. So, if they have all their money tied up in land, ah, you know, in mineral rights and so forth and machinery and equipment and oil and other chemicals and petrochemicals and so forth. That's where their money's tied up. They don't want somebody to come along and spoil it with new technology that does away with it.
Eben Ray: Hmmm.
William Lyne: And, ah, so, they've done everything under …. No, no expense is too great for them to use to cover this material up. And the idea is control. And everybody agreed on it. They had a secret conference in Switzerland in 1955, I believe it was, where all the major powers got together and agreed to keep UFO technology secret.
Eben Ray: And d-, do they all share it?
William Lyne: Yah. They all have it. It got around. So, they're not hiding it from each other. They're hiding it from us.
Eben Ray: Now, what part of Nikola Tesla's, ahm, well, we, I guess …. What you're saying is we don't know because so many volumes of Nikola Tesla's, ah, research is, is smothered. But what makes you think that within his research is the basis for the mini-ships that are seen all around the world by so many individuals?
William Lyne: Well, he basically, you know, the stuff started showing up when he started doing his experimentation. He, ah, actually, ah, one of the things people have tried to contradict what I say is ah, is that ah, Wernher Von Braun came to New Mexico in 1936 to stay 'till 1938. Ah, and he worked with the project at Los Alamos run by Nikola Tesla. Ah, Tesla ar-, offered this stuff to the government in 1914 and they turned it down, so he sold it to the Germans. Nobody knew there was going to be a World War One. So, they got all the submarine technology at that time and didn't use it 'till World War Two. And, ah, (coughs) then, ah, of course, ah, so, they got that material. And then they formed a new, a new project in the 1930s, ah, to do this research in New Mexico at a, at a…. It was actually conducted at an old barn at Los Alamos which is within …. It was, at that time, it was land grant heirs ah, ah, Spanish land grant heirs in New Mexico. They had this land and this old barn and they rented it to this group. They also helped supply them with food and, and water, ah, while they were doing this project. And Von Braun showed up. He was invited by Goddard. And he shu-, by the American Rocket Society and was sponsored by the Guggenheim Foundation, ah, the Smithsonian Institution, and National Geographic. And, ah, Von Braun showed up with, ah, 16 top notch Nazi scientists. And they worked with Nikola Tesla on the first UFO project in 1936 to 1938. And, ah, and then, ah, in 1938 ah, and then, at that time Tesla wrote a paper to Washington which then promptly shut the project down. So, then the United States government goes through World War Two and doesn't use that technology. They also didn't use the rocket technology that, that was being developed. Ah, ah, Von Braun was able to pick up the designs that the American Rocket Society members in New York had come up with for the new rocket engine. And, ah, took it back to Germany, put it on the V-2s. And the modern day rockets all use that same engine.
Eben Ray: hmmm.
William Lyne: Ah, and, ah, so, all this technology is, was concealed. And our own government didn't use it, you know, during World War Two. They used solid fuel rockets. They didn't use the liquid fueled rocket engines. Then Von Braun comes back over to Na-, New Mexico, or actually Fort Bliss, Texas, which is right on the border with New Mexico and White Sands Missile Range. He comes over and becomes the head of rocket research for the U.S. Army Missile command. And, ah, and so then the technology of the UFO research was continued on a secret basis in New Mexico bases, White Sands Missile Range, ah Kirkland, ah, also ah, Holloman Air Force Base, ah, Sandia Base, and Los Alamos did research on all this stuff.
Eben Ray: Hmmm.
William Lyne: And so it's, it's been concealed with this whole, ah, charade of ah, movies, TV productions, books, and so forth, on a massive scale. Ah, and these people all work for the government or are dupes for those who do work for the government. But I found that if they have a top publishers, that they're working, they're actual witting agents for the government. And, ah, they're not, they're not given any publicity unless they're government assets. So, I don't get the publicity.
Eben Ray: No-
William Lyne: I write about this stuff. I get the kind of publicity. I've never, I've gotten on a network but there was never sh-, told what I, the books that I had written or what my theories were.
Eben Ray: Hah.
William Lyne: One time, one time I was, I was on UFO Hunters, which is a branch of the History Channel but they never mentioned my books or anything. Ah, but ah, you know, so I haven't been allowed a national bi-, stage. You know, I've been excluded from the national stage because I'm not an asset.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: They won't cite or publicize anyone who's not an asset. So, if they get publicity, you know they're an asset. They control it.
Eben Ray: Very interesting.
William Lyne: They're controlling all of the media. They've been doing it, you know, for many years. They, you know, this goes all the way back to, I know at least to the 1960s.
Eben Ray: Let me ask you William, do you think then, … they've, they've taken this technology, ah, y-,… There is Peter Davenport with his, ah, UFO reporting, ah, service and he gets hundreds, you know, of reports a month, ah, et cetera. MUFON, ah, tracks things, et cetera.
William Lyne: Oh yah, MUFON is part of the scheme. They're a government, they're a government controlled.
Eben Ray: Ok, Ok, so, ah, so, ah, when you look at, ah, all of this, ahm…. What exactly are they trying to set up? What is their theme? What are they trying to set up? What is the connection?
William Lyne: It's very simple. They want to establish that UFOs are aliens. You know, that, that's the link. They want to, they've nailed, they've created that phony thing so powerful that when people hear the word UFO or see a UFO they automatically see a little alien sitting at the control panel, you know, of that ship, you know, and just go into hysteria. You know, the heart jumps up into their throat, and, and, they become totally irrational. They're, people are mind-controlled on this issue.
Eben Ray: Ok.
William Lyne: People are also trained not to look above the horizon. Things are going on above the horizon that they're not noticing. And, of course, ya-, I don't know why, but ever since Obama took office these things are becoming scarce. They're, they're like, trying to go back to creating the image that they don't exist. And anyone who, who's rational and says they don't exis-, and thinks they're rational, they, they are really bent out of shape because anyone who says they [extraterrestrial UFOs] don't exist has got to be crazy or stupid…
Eben Ray: Mmmm hmmah.
William Lyne: … because there have been just thousands and thousands of rational witnesses, you know, who have seen these and reported on them, although they went to extreme measures to keep airline pilots from reporting them when they saw them. They just basically harassed them to the point that they, admit, say that they, they didn't see anything. That was the object. They would interrogate them for hours 'till they finally get the message, you know, 'you didn't see anything.' And they can fine them. They can imprison them, if they talk about what they saw.
Eben Ray: On the lines, William Lynes. His website, William Lyne dot com. I getting that right, right?
William Lyne: No, my, my website, which is really old and needs rebuilding it's called Pentagon Space Aliens. [ http://lyne4lyne.tripod.com/ ]
Eben Ray: Oh, yes.
William Lyne: So, if you Google, Pentagon Space Aliens, you'll come up with the website.
Eben Ray: Ok, that's much better, because I coulda swore … I musta saw just, ah, your name, ah, ,ah, attached somewhere else. So, it's Pentagon Space Aliens dot com, Pentagon Space Aliens ah, dot com, I'm sorry. I thought that will dial direct to William Lyne.
William Lyne: No, it's not Pentagon Space Aliens. Just Google "Pentagon Space Aliens" and you'll come up with the name of the website! [ http://lyne4lyne.tripod.com/ ] That's the name of the website.
Eben Ray: Oh, Ok.
William Lyne: The URL is just so complicated. I'm not even going to mention it. Like a tripod, ah, …
Eben Ray: site.
William Lyne: … a website in Canada.
Eben Ray: OK.
William Lyne: And, ah, you know, people wouldn't remember it if I gave it out, unless they got a pencil and a real, ah, real good stenographer.
Eben Ray: Yah, yah. This time, maybe not. [3:30 AM] Ok, so what you do darlings maybe you just type in William Lyne.
William Lyne: That's L-Y-N-E.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: William Lyne, you know, it doesn't come up like it used to with my name, the website. I guess they blocked that out, you know.
Eben Ray: Right, right, yah, because I ….
William Lyne: Just Google Pentagon Space Aliens. You should come up with my website.
Eben Ray: Ok, Pentagon Space Aliens, 'cause I put in William Lyne.
William Lyne: … and link to my website. [ http://lyne4lyne.tripod.com/ ]
Eben Ray: Brilliant. Well, then, that's what we'll do, Pentagon Space Aliens, Pentagon Space Aliens. Put that into Google, Yahoo, and you'll find William Lyne, ah, last name, ah, L-Y-N-E. That's what, ah, yah, that's how it is spelled. His book, Pentagon Aliens, Occult Ether Physics, and Occult Science Dictatorship are, are available to you at his website. And, of course, ah, the great thing, the reason why there is the great white-out on William Lyne, ah, is because he is saying that all these sightings are of man-made machines, ah, from, ah, stolen Tesla technology. Stolen, ah, documentation and, ah, experiments by ah, Nikola Tesla, ahm, that the governments of the world have been holding back.
Ah, on the lines, William Lyne. We will be back with him, ah, in just a moment here on KPFK 90.7 FM, Los Angeles and San Diego, and 98.7 FM in Santa Barbara. We're getting it straight here, how you can find him on the web by searching Pentagon Space Aliens, ah, on your Google or Yahoo. Ok, much better. (music up)
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Eben Ray: And of course, darlings, go to www dot KPFK dot O-R-G [ www.KPFK.org ]. There you are going to find so much goodness, ah, in folks, ah, that ah, talk from all different, ah, … you know, it's a big umbrella, the democrats, liberal, kind of progressive area, big, big umbrella that has just, ahm, so many folks that are bringing particular information to you.
And I'm just happy that you are up so late at night to hear this particular kind of information with William Lyne, ah, on right now. And, ah, we are talking, ah, about, ah, aliens and UFOs, ah, but to the point that everything that you've seen or heard that has to do with UFOs, ah, that you are looking at something, that some little genius .… Ok? Because I'm telling you that some of the footage, ah, et cetera, and what people, ah, cite, sounds like remarkable technology. William, when you start looking and hearing about some of the maneuvers the descriptions of what, ah, people have witnessed these ships doing, I mean, can you describe what you think people are seeing when they talk about, 'well, I was looking at this ship and it was moving, you know, forward at a pretty good knot and then it made a right angle turn and just shot away. Just, you know, took off, out of sight. Ah, faster than anything that I've seen.' What kind of propulsion system do you think these folks have a hold of?
William Lyne: Well, Tesla said that he was primarily, and this may come as a shock to some people, he said he was primarily a mechanical engineer. And that his coils produced longitudinal, electrostatic pressure waves in the aether, mechanical waves. And that these ships, his flying machine operated on mechanical principles rather than electromagnetic ones. So, I was, I looked into this. I researched it. And went off on, on a slightly wrong direction. So, I've revised that material. It's now in a new version which I haven't issued yet. Except, in Russia, they are, they've translated Occult Ether Physics and they're going to be selling that to their Russian speak-, ah, Russian writing, reading public, wherever they are in Russia or wherever. So, you know, I've revised this to include this electrostatic ah, technology. It was, ah, Tesla called it electrostatic induction. It's different from electromagnetics. It's not electromagnetic waves. Tesla was the only person that was able to transmit power. Nobody's ever done it since then because they don't understand the, the, ah, electrostatic induction. And they don't understand the sound wave technology that he was using, sound waves traveling at the speed of light in the ether! And, ah, so, a, a Tesla receiver converts these sound waves back into electromagnetic, ah, energy. Ah, it's just a mirror image of the transmitter. And, ah, it's something I haven't completely figured out but I'm on the right track, I know. And, ah, ….
Eben Ray: Are you saying these ships, these ships have or take electro-, ah, magnetic and or they, ah, they are able to generate electrostatic?
William Lyne: Well, the ship, there's two kind, one find of ship was remote controlled and run on, ah, power transmitted from the earth. But then there's the kind of ship that has its own generator which Tesla finally settled on using Tesla turbines to generate the power. He needed, he said, ah, my, 'my idea was basically sound.' And I thought that meant that it was just based on you know, firm principles. The actual event, actually sound, he said 'my ideas were based on, were sound, but I lack, I wasn't able to go forward for the lack of a, ah, prime mover for sufficient activity.' And that's when he came up with the turbine, ah, which satisfied that need.
So, basically, a ship using electrostatic induction to create these sound waves. And those sound waves propel the ship. And, ah, so, that, that's the last of the mystery. That's as far as I've been able to go with the available facts. Ah, how, how the sound waves are actually used to propel the ships and, ah, it's mechanical. He said sound. He said 'my ships fly on mechanical, ah, principles.'
Eben Ray: Wow.
William Lyne: And not, in other words, not electromagnetic at all.
Eben Ray: And so electrostatic is, is an element of mechanical engineering or is an element of the ether?
William Lyne: Well, it produces the mechanical waves, electrostatic induction. You see, there's no way to rapidly vary an electrostatic generator except with a Tesla coil. Electro-, a Tesla coil is actually an electrostatic generator that rapidly varies the electrostatic impulses.
Eben Ray: Very good.
William Lyne: And you can't, can't make an electrostatic generator like a Vandegraff, rapidly vary. It just puts out a steady output. So you need that, that rapid variation in order to get the electrostatic inductance. And, ah, so, electrostatic inductance is a different ball game from electromagnetics. An electrical engineer gets into this and doesn't understand it …
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: … because, because he's not taught these secrets.
Eben Ray: Well, isn't that. isn't that the secret of Tesla that he understood that the energy systems of the planet are, are so much beyond magnetism and, ah, gravity and the speed of light. He, he recognized, ahm, you know, ether as, as the electrical basis ….
William Lyne: Without ether you can't get anywhere. It's, it's the secret. That's the reason they've ridiculed the concept of the ether is because it's the basic secret. If you don't think in those terms you'll never figure it out. It's the secret to UFO propulsion.
And what I saw in 1953, a ship doing 90 degree turns at hundreds of miles per hour. I mean, it boggles the eyes. The mind can't deal with it. The, seeing the object turn a corner at hundreds of miles per hour. It's like that thing, you know, the baseball player can throw a baseball and you'll see the baseball. Then, if he makes out like he throws it, you'll see the ball fly through there and it's still in his hand.
Eben Ray: hmmm, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
William Lyne: That's the kind of illusions you get with these UFOs. They figured out how to play these illusions to make people see fantastic things, ta-, because they know the average individual isn't going to understand it. And they're going to interpret that as some sort of alien technology because it's, ah, hocus pocus, you know.
Eben Ray: Now where do you think these things are kept? Where are they launched from? You hear people seeing stuff come up out of the ocean. I mean, where do they, just …. Where do you think they're kept? I mean….
William Lyne: They keep them in hangers underground usually. And sometimes they're right on the surface of the ground, ah, but they're concealed with covers that they put over them from the air. So, if you fly over them it looks like the rest, the rest of the territory around them. Ah,
Eben Ray: Ok, yes, yes, camouflage.
William Lyne: There might be a tell-tale edge that you can see, a round shape or whatever, but some of these modern ships are round and they're big. We saw when we were going to, ah, we were going to Tyler from Santa Fe. We, as we approached Fort Worth we began to see these ships coming down from high altitude. And they were landing somewhere over to the east side of Dallas. And as we, as we passed by the south side of Dallas we saw these going down to a landing field somewhere over near Tyler, which was where my mother lives. We saw this ship coming down. We, ah, the elevation of the highway is slightly, is, is, ah, up compared to the area around Tyler and we could actually see down on this ship as it landed. The top was dark and the bottom was all lit up, and it was a big disk-shaped ship, like a couple hundred or so-, or more feet in diameter going down and lighting up the ground under it as it came down for its landing. And these were probably General Dynamic ships out of Fort Worth that were being tested out there where the hicks are. You see?
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: …where the hicks don't know what's going on. And they're not going to be out looking at the sky at night because they've all been brainwashed and don't know any better.
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: And so, you know, basically, the way they're flying these…. That's the reason they're flying these ships around that area is because, that the big corporations in Dallas and Fort Worth are working on these technologies for the government, basically Fort Worth. General Dynamics has a big plant in Fort Worth. So they work this stuff out and they have to test it. And these are the big ships. They were coming down from high altitude at high speed, from very high altitude, just coming down and landing around ten, eleven, twelve o'clock at night as we came down, as we approached Tyler.
Eben Ray: Wow.
William Lyne: And, ah, so, you know, there's a lot of underground, ah, operations there because there's some old salt mines there. There's a place called Grand Saline which means big salt, you know, ah, where they used to have salt mines out of there So there's probably a lot of stuff underground there, probably, factories and whatever that the government is operating of there.
Eben Ray: So, what does it open, what? Does the floor open up? How do they plunge?
William Lyne: They have, they have people who build these big doors, for example, somewhere over in New Mexico. They got a big door that opens up. That door, it's like operated with hydraulics, it opens up and the saucer goes in, and then it closes up, it's decorated, ah, to, to look like the surrounding territory. And you look at it and you can't tell it from the, from the plants and foliage in the area. Ah, it totally fades into the background. Ah, so, they basically cover these things up that way.
Eben Ray: Ah, William Lyne is with us. Ah, the way you find his information is to go to Google and put in Pentagon Space Aliens. Pentagon Space Aliens. That I hope you find his website. And he has ah, written three books. The newest one, I can't wait 'till it comes out, ah, in English here. And we are talking about the idea that UFOs, ah, his contention, is that all UFOs that you see, ah, on the planet, ah, in space, et cetera, are man-made. And that just boggles the mind. Now let me ask you about this William.
William Lyne: Well, at the most logical thing, yet the most logical thing has become the most far out thing.
Eben Ray: Yes. (chuckles)
William Lyne: They've totally twisted reality around, you know, to where the most rational assumption becomes irrational, or appears to be irrational to somebody. "Say, what? You don't believe in aliens?' You know, oh, gee,
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: 'Wow, you're far out. You don't believe in aliens.'
Eben Ray: Right, right.
William Lyne: It's a total perversion of reality.
Eben Ray: Wow, wow. That is, that is really trippy, ah, to think that they, that they are setting folks up, ah, to believe, ahm, in something greater than themselves. But yet, here we have individuals that have created ships, ahm, ah, …. And we've had people like Nikola Tesla and all these brilliant folks, such as yourself, delving into this. And proving, ahm, that, ah, there are great minds, absolute astonishing minds on this planet in Homo Sapien form. But, yet, we want to attribute this technology to a, a race, ah, that's greater to us, that's supposedly going to come and save us.
And that leads up to my next question. Do you think, ahm, that this is all, ahm, being used as, for a fake alien landing? An invasion for us to all bow down to something greater than ourselves like Ronald Reagan talked about?
William Lyne: Well, a number of people have expressed this possibility. That could be, in, in the offing, you know, in the future some time. But when you get right down to it, I mean, ok, what would be the goal? To set up some sort of, quote, "International Socialist Dictatorship," you know. Well, that would kill the goose that laid the golden egg. The big corporations couldn't live in that kind of environment. And the big corporations are the ones that are calling all the shots. So, they're not going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. You know, so this is just some sort of a hype scenario that people have dreamed up, you know. I mean, it was a possibility of some nutcase military jerk. But it wouldn't be rational because it would totally destroy any possibility of any future society, ah, which could flourish.
Eben Ray: Hmmm.
William Lyne: If we're all under some kind of dictatorship, you know, how can anyone …? It would be suffocating, you know, economically.
Eben Ray: Well, they're kind of already doing that right now.
William Lyne: Yah, why, why, this is why we have the economic downturn. They've more or less killed the goose that laid the golden egg. And these corporations and banks have stolen all the money and they're making us pay for it.
Eben Ray: Yah. (laughs) Jees. I, I always wonder why, on a side note, they are actually making us pay for it, so, we're actually the creditors.
William Lyne: Yah.
Eben Ray: Why are we the debtors in this situation when we are forwarding this money to these little jerks? And we're indebted to it? No. They're indebted to it.
William Lyne: They're, they are going to make us pay them for what they stole.
Eben Ray: Right! (laughs) Exactly.
William Lyne: a total perversion.
Eben Ray: We have, we have to pay back ourselves what we gave them.
William Lyne: Well, I got a little wigged out when Obama approved that, that first bailout during George Bush's ra-, ah, ah, reign. Ah, when he approved that first bailout, I said, 'this is insane. I can't believe the American people are actually giving money to these dirty banks.'
Eben Ray: Yes! I just (laughs) … What a game. And this comes back to the point when you were talking about, not only that the National Security Act of 1947, ahm, ah, was a complete betrayal of American sovereignty but it also helped bring in a covert and illegal mind control, ah, apparatus, ah, into being.
William Lyne: They, basically, you know, everybody thinks this is so crazy, you know. 'What? The government might actually control some of the media?' You know, they control nearly all the major media. I mean, ah, let's face it, you know, ah, it's just, it's un-American, of course. It's not democratic. It doesn't have any kind of thing, ah, that a free people don't do that, you know, where everything is being controlled. And, ah, but, ah, you know, they do control a major part of the media. (coughs) And they can perpetuate massive lies. And by the time people figure out they've been lied to it's already years later. And, you know, they just kind of forget about it and just throw up their hands and, and, and say, 'we can't,' you know, 'we're, we're helpless.' Now the people that are aware of it, of the big lies, are just kind of, you know, you finally get to a point that you're, you become reticent and lethargic, ah, because you've realized the futility if you try to tell or do anything about it, it's like you go through this process of electing a new president, thinking you're going to get change. And you got the same old thing, the same old manipulators running everything, the same bankers, the same corporations, and the same ideas, and the same, ah, procedures, you know, incessant wars.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: You know, Obama says, well, 'Afghanistan's the good war, Iraq is the bad war.' Oh, bad war, good war, yah, well, you know, that's kind of ridiculous. World War Two was considered to be a "good war" because we were fighting Fascism.
Eben Ray: (laughs) Fighting for who controlled Fascism, we got it now, yah, and Communism. We, we, we really, we really have it all.
William Lyne: There's plenty of evidence to show that Fascism has actually began in this country and was, and was exported to Germany.
Eben Ray: Yes, that, eugenics, ahm,
William Lyne: Yah.
Eben Ray: all of the, all of the good, ah, American, ah, exports. That's that cultural domination that we have.
William Lyne: Yah. The military-industrial complex, the, the big corporations running everything. J.P. Morgan controlled all power companies in America, all the, and all the broadcasting companies in America, and the newspapers in America, at one time. So, you know, there you've got corp-, you know, when you have government and corporations working together. 'One hand washes the other,' as Hitler said. That's fascism.
Eben Ray: Very true. Yes, very, very, good, sir. Ahm, let's, ahm, talk about the, ah, you state that you thought the Roswell incident was a bungled hoax. Go into that.
William Lyne: Well, I think that the hoax was …. See, people were seeing these things. They brought 15,000 Germans to White Sands Missile Range from, you know, 15,000. The government has never publically admitted that. But I had a friend who worked there as a security agent, when she was 15 years old. She was German. She was from Bavaria. And she told me there were 15,000 in her group. You know, and her job was to get them … She spoke six languages. And she could get 'em out of jail, in Mexico, for example, ah, when they went down there and got drunk and got thrown in a Mexican jail. It's very hard to do. It's very hard to get someone out of a Mexican jail, but she was …. That was her job.
Eben Ray: Huh, ha.
William Lyne: And, ah, you know, but these guys were all brought over with the saucer projects. And people were seeing these things all over the place, west Texas, (coughs) southern New Mexico, ah, in Northern New Mexico, all over the place in the southwest, basically. And so, they basically had to create a hoax to ah, in the region. It was just supposed to be a regional hoax to convince people they were seeing ah, you know, aliens. And so they perpetuated this ha-, corny hoax.
And when the Pentagon saw it, I believe, that they, there was a backlash. And they said, 'stop. We've got to retract all this stuff.' They had sent out these photographs to area newspapers. It wasn't supposed to be a big national, ah, ah, event. It was just supposed to be regional. So they sent out these photographs to regional newspapers in the southwest. And then they had to retrieve all those photographs, because it took, it would take a newspaper in those days, a week to get, ah, the printing plates, ah, to print pictures. So, ah, you know, in that short period of time they were able to get all those photographs back except for one that was, was copied and given to me by a, a reporter in Odessa [Texas] who, who, belonged to the, who worked for the Freedom chain which extended up into New Mexico. And, ah, he got one of these, he got one of these photographs in an old newspaper office. Back in the back room in an old dusty desk he found these photographs that they didn't retrieve. And, ah, I subsequently talked to one of the reporters from Roswell [New Mexico] who later became a lawyer in Santa Fe. He was a well-known lawyer here. But he had been a reporter for the newspaper chain at the time. And he totally agreed with what I said. And then the other guy had given me photographs, the photograph, a copy of photographs. And they were stolen from him!
Eben Ray: And what about the alien bodies?
William Lyne: The alien bodies were actually Rhesus monkeys in G-suits. A guy that I knew years ago from Merrill-Holst actually invented the G-suit but the government turned around and gave his invention to a big corporation, you know, typical.
[(3-18-09) Earl H. Wood Is Dead at 97; Helped Invent G-Suit. March 26, 2009. "The suit was issued to combat pilots in 1944. By the late 1940s, with the introduction of jet aircraft, G-suits based on the Mayo pattern came into general use and remain standard today." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/us/27wood.html]
But he invented the G-suits, made these little G-suits for these monkeys so they could be tested on the rocket sleds because they were trying to see how many G-forces a human body could take. That was just a continuation of the Nazi experiments, only instead of using humans like the Nazis did, they used Rhesus monkeys. And then they switched over to, to, ah, chimps later. Ah, Rhesus monkeys were harder to handle. And they shaved these monkeys because the G-suits use pressure. And they needed to get rid of that hair that was on the body for the G-suits to work.
And then in 1947 we had a paint business down in Kermit which is just across the New Mexico bound-, line there. These, these guys from, ah, from White Sands came down there, or ah, Alamogordo. I can't remember whe-, Alamogordo or, or, ah, White Sands. They came down and wanted to know how to tint something green. And I showed 'em some green pigment. And I said we used this to make what we call lime oak. We take oak and rub it with this green powder. And then we put a varnish over it. And gives it a green tint.
Eben Ray: Mmmm, hmmm.
William Lyne: And they didn't want to use green paint because it didn't work on skin. So, they wanted to use something they could do, tint skin green. So, it was pretty clear. So I showed them this green pigment. And they bought some of it and took it back to New Mexico. And then, ah, you had the, ah, shortly after you had the green, ah, Rhesus monkeys, shaved Rhesus monkeys in G-suits, little, little space suits which were, ah, propagated as aliens!
Well, my brother-in-law's aunt was a nurse at Roswell Army Air Field after World War Two. She had been a nurse at Corrigador. And was captured by the Japanese and was in the Bataan death march. And she came back and was an Army nurse at Roswell. (coughs) And she later became a nun. But she was laughingly telling her sister Leona about the, about this whole dissection scenario they went through where the doctors were dissecting a rhesus monkey and think, and telling everyone they were dissecting an alien. When it was so obvious to them that it was a Rhesus monkey. And she knew that because in the Bataan Peninsula they eat Rhesus monkeys in green chili.
Eben Ray: Wow.
William Lyne: So, they could make New Mexico style green chili stew there when they were in their, ah, Japanese prisoner of war camp, ah, using Rhesus monkey meat. So, she had carved up enough Rhesus monkeys to know what they look like, you know.
Eben Ray: Wow.
William Lyne: And she was laughing and telling her sister about this. Her sister told me. And that's, that's how I came up with the information about the Rhesus monkeys. And later, I got the photographs and there they were.
Eben Ray: Wow.
William Lyne: But most people would look at the photographs and gasp and say, 'that's what an alien looks like.' No, that's what a shaved Rhesus monkey looks like. You know, and they were dying, ah, these things green for the hoax. And I figure the Nazi Intelligence guys that were over, ah, at Hollaman Air Force Base were the ones that created the hoax. And, of course, the Pentagon just gasped and said, 'Oh, oh, somebody's going to figure this out.' And retract all this stuff. So, they came up with the weather balloon and all this other stuff. But the government is the one that initiated the first, ah, public report that it was aliens in a space craft that had crashed.
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: Now, this all had to be approved by a committee. This isn't just something that some newsman comes up with.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: Because Walter Haut was a PIO. That's a Public Information Office, Officer. That's a member of the Intelligence Group. So, he had to have this approved by superiors. He's just the guy that issues the stuff for public dissemination.
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: for propaganda purposes, basically. And so, he issues this, these, these newspaper reports about an alien space craft crashing. And then they retracted it all.
Eben Ray: How interesting. You know, that, that mirrors so much, ah, Mister Lyne, with what Richard Hoagland talked about when they first flew to the moon. That is, ah, that after they had landed, a PIO comes in where all the press is and hands out something on Vellar, that clear plastic stuff [Velum]. This is back in '62, '63 [1969?] saying we never went to the moon. That they started the counter to the U.S. landing on the moon, saying, 'we hadn't gone to the moon,' almost immediately after we landed. And that kind of sounds like, ah, the very same flim-flam that you're talking about right now.
William Lyne: Yah. They put it out there and then they retract it, to give them the plausible deniability. They thought through that somebody was going to uncover the hoax so they wanted to cover themselves. That's typical.
Eben Ray: Right. By creating the hoax and having both sides.
William Lyne: Yah. Right. That way they've got, they've got plausible deniability if they have to use it. But, you know, they say …. Who's the guy that made, you know, 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Eben Ray: Kubrick.
William Lyne: Yah. They say Kubrick actually made that film for the government.
Eben Ray: Ahh, wow.
William Lyne: And the Russians came along and took photographs with their space craft. They took photographs of a location in Nevada that was identical to a spot on the moon where they supposedly made the moon landing, identical. So they had replicated the spot on the moon in Nevada for the movie to use as a studio.
Eben Ray: Hmmm, hmmm. Sure, sure.
William Lyne: And there are so many, so many obvious screw ups in that film though in the technical area.
Eben Ray: (laughs) Ah yes.
William Lyne: Just so many.
Eben Ray: Yah, we'll, we'll give Kubrick, we'll give Kubrick that. But one thing that, ah, Hoagland says is that we actually did go to the moon but what we found there was so astonishing that this in the way we flipped it and so that we don't have to report on what's, you know, on the moon.
William Lyne: Well, Hoagland couldn't be telling you this, 'cause it would all be top secret, you know, because he hadn't, he started talking about this before he had been away from NASA for twenty years, twenty years it takes for the top secret, ah, clearance to go away.
Eben Ray: Right.
William Lyne: So, he wouldn't be telling you that because it would be telling, you know. Unless it's a lie. So he's trying to suck me in. Hoagland tried to suck me in to his, his operation over there.
Eben Ray: Yah.
William Lyne: You know, he lived in Albuquerque or something. I don't know where he lives now. But, you know, this is just hoax. You know, one of my fellow graduate students, did, did a, did his thesis on a, he did, ah, he was commissioned by NASA to do a number of paintings of the, of the, Mars. And, ah, he did, he worked with NASA Mars maps. And there was no face on there or any of that kind of stuff, you know. Ah, at what he was using, you know, was supplied by NASA.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: And he did his thesis on that. That was his graduate thesis was these Mars maps that he painted.
Eben Ray: Oh, how interesting. So, he had, well, he had, we are screaming through this time and I did have an important question which dovetails nicely with what we are talking about right now. When it comes to the Office of Scientific Intelligence, ah, and orchestrating both sides of the sham, when it comes to UF-, UFOs and people that talk about UFOs. Let me just remind folks where we are. And then we'll talk about that.
On the line is William Lyne. Ahm, he is the author of three, ahm, amazing books, Occult Ether Physics, Occult Science Dictatorship, and Pentagon Aliens. And not in that order. But you must have them all. And a new book is coming out. Where you can get more information is at Pentagon Space Aliens. Put that into ah, your Google [search engine], your Yahoo [search engine] and you're going to, ahm, find him out there. Look for William Lyne, L-Y-N-E, and find out more and more about ah, this maverick, saying that everything you see is man-made. And that means, boy, I mean we have some absolutely….
William Lyne: I have a statement, ah, I came up with.
Eben Ray: Yes, sir.
William Lyne: I say, 'What you think is what they want you to think.'
Eben Ray: Hmmm. That's good.
William Lyne: What you, you know, you know, basically, in other words, 'what you think you think is what they want you to think.'
Eben Ray: Yah. (laughs) Yes, exactly. (laughs) Where is your original thought where you know it because somebody has made it available for you to know.
William Lyne: Yah. And they make it seem you got it from an outside source and it came from a path line that comes straight from the government.
Eben Ray: All right, definitely.
William Lyne: Spook, spook agencies.
Eben Ray: Let me just mention to the folks, ah, KPFK 90.7 FM Los Angeles and San Diego, 98.7 FM in Santa Barbara. William Lyne on the line. Mister Lyne, we only have a minute or so left. Time has absolutely flown. Maybe it's the electrostatics.
William Lyne: That time travel.
Eben Ray: That time travel thing that's going on, man ….
William Lyne: Einstein invented time travel so we, we're, we're all stuck in it.
Eben Ray: (laughs)
William Lyne: (laughs)
Eben Ray: Let me ask you about the Office of Scientific Intelligence. Ahm, we talk about the shadow government, the secret government, et cetera. Ahm, you, ah, you were just talking about ah, Richard Hoagland, I know. Who else is out there very much in the press? Stanley, Stan, ahm, ….
William Lyne: Oh, Stan Friedman, Stan Friedman.
Eben Ray: Yes, Stan Friedman. And, ah, Zachariah Sitchen, ah, lots of folks out there that have traction in, in talking about, ah, this.
William Lyne: Yes, Sitchens in making out like he can read ancient Sumerian. And nobody can read ancient Sumerian. It hadn't been deciphered. So, he's thinking he's the greatest linguist in the world or something, you know.
Eben Ray: Yah.
William Lyne: And all he's doing is repeating the stories that were written by Jorgmonds von Liebenfelds in 1905, you know, Bavaria. You know, the Nazi, ah, theorist was Hitler's guru or Hitler's religion called Ostara. You know where the Egyptian Opotis or Apep, ah, the serpent, actually becomes a shape-shifting reptilian alien who lives under the Great Pyramid at Giza, you know. So, I mean, this is just misinformation.
Eben Ray: Well.
William Lyne: religious, religiously based mis-, misinformation. And, ah, ….
Eben Ray: He's written so many books based off of … Nibiru, all of that. You know?
William Lyne: Nibiru? You can, I, I, I decipher these things etymologically and I come up with the real meaning of these words, you know, ah, ah. "Nebir" would be new to the east, according to the Egyptian religion, the primordial waters origin in the east. And "biru" would be land or, ah, barrow. In other words, the place that's to the east. And that could be the other side of the world. So the Egyptians were talking about the underworld, which is actually the other side of the world, where the United States is located, you know, so, or America. So, you know, basically, somebody knew, in ancient times, knew that America was here, `
Eben Ray: Ah, ha.
William Lyne: the Egyptians. And I have found evidence that the Egyptians were coming to North America in very ancient times.
Eben Ray: Oh, yes.
William Lyne: I found pet-, petroglyph evidence that they had actually sponsored a colony here in New Mexico, not far from where I live. And that, that's one of my new books that will be coming out. It will be on that colony.
Eben Ray: Oh, fantastic. I heard there's some interesting stuff in the Grand Canyon too, ahm….
William Lyne: Well, that is kind of hard to sort out. That, that could be a deeply buried, buried secret. But the Smithsonian [Institute] and the archeology community is involved in concealing this stuff.
Eben Ray: Yes.
William Lyne: And they really want to destroy stuff. Now, one of the things I found here, at, ah, nearby Saint Cristobal Ranch, there was a dolman over there. They took a bulldozer and pushed it over to get rid of it.
Eben Ray: (laugh)
William Lyne: because it conflicted with their theories.
Eben Ray: Wow. Wow. Oh, wow.
William Lyne: And they also let a tree grow in front of the most important monument that …. I made a discovery there, of the most important archeology discovery in New Mexico, possibly in this whole part of the world where the ancient Egyptians had left this monument there. And they let this tree grow there and didn't stop it like I warned them, that they needed to stop this tree from growing, that the tree will upset the alignment of the stone so that it may not line up to the Equinox the way it's supposed to.
Eben Ray: Ah.
William Lyne: There's a shaft of light that shoots out of the stone on the Equinox and lights up this hand up on there. There's a hand of Tonit. Ah, and it lights this thing up on the Equinox, on the Vernal Equinox.
Eben Ray: Ok, William, and what you are telling me, you need to come back really soon because we are so out of time. But, ahm, you, ah, are creating, ah, such a space vortex that you have to inhabit, ah, here again very soon, Mr. Lyne. And, ahm, ah, it's, I so much appreciate that you have hung in there, ah, outside all of the disrespect and, ah, intimidation and garbage that you put up with, you just keep going and keep writing. And, ah, I just can't wait to see ah, your, your newest insights on paper. And so, I, I thank you so much, ah, for being one our patriotic angels here and, ah, you know, doing what you do.
William Lyne: Well, thank you very much for the kind words. It's nice to hear some nice words, you know.
Eben Ray: Absolutely, absolutely, sir. You deserve far more than nice words. And so we hope to, we hope to just get more folks to checking you out. And, ah, ah, so, where to go to find William Lyne, ahm, type in "Pentagon Space Aliens" in Google or Yahoo. Go to his website. Get his books. Support those, ah, that are breaking the mold, 'cause that's the only way things will change is to, is to knock down these old structures. So, Mr. Lyne thank you so much, sir. And I can't wait to talk to you again real soon.
William Lyne: Alright.
Eben Ray: Alright.
William Lyne: It was real nice being with you.
Eben Ray: Yes sir. Alright. Ok. Alright darlings, I'd better go. My God, we're out of time. Ok, until next week.
Announcer: You've been listening to Radio Alchymy with your host Eben Ray.
A 56 minute telephone interview with William Lyne.
December 10th, 2009 from ~ 3:25 AM to 4:00 AM.
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