Eben Rey: Our next guest is on the line. And wow, I'm telling you there are ah, individuals that go the extra distance on, in so many different levels. And this man started his personal journey at a very young age. Um, to the point, um, that he was ah, being recruited. Um, they were inviting him um, into ah, the governmental ah, structures and ah, he basically said no. And for that, guess what ensues? Well, little harassers, little jackals come after him. His name is William Lyne. And he has done ah, um, so much amazing work, um, publishing ah, such books. Ah, where I have all of his ah, amazing wares, ah, right here. Um, one of the latest was, was ah, Space Aliens ah, from the Pentagon and um, so much more um, that he has done. Um, when it comes to trying to understand the true realm of what we are seeing, um, ah, above our eyes. You, ah, his book was actually called Occult Ether Physics. Ah, it was a non- ah, fiction book um, where he is looking at the reality of Nikola Tesla's ah, work. And how that is being mirrored in what he is ah, seeing and what people are seeing ah, all around the globe um, and so much more. Ah, let me ah, welcome ah, Mr. Lyne. Do I call you Lin or Line?

William Lyne: Line. Thank you ah, Eben.

Eben Rey: Yes, yes.

William Lyne: Glad to be on your show.

Eben Rey: Yes sir. Thank you. Yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much Mister Lyne. Ah, um, fantastic ah, to have you here. Now, you know, go back ah, to um, what you talked about in, in being a child and starting to ah, um, play around with ah, some of the electronics to the point in 1974 um, you're talking about starting um, being harassed. And, and also um, that they really wanted you ah, to join ah, um, some sort of governmental structure. And that George Bush ah, Senior was a part of that. Tell us ah, about that history of your life.

William Lyne: Well, I ah, actually, when I look back on it they were actually playing with my life earlier. Ah, they were more or less manipulating me, ah. For instance, they were manipulating me into taking a GSA test so ah, they could rate me, you know. And I think it was rated at something like GS 17, something like that.

Eben Rey: That's up there.

William Lyne: And ah, so, you know, they were actually tricked me by telling me that I could get a job as an Art ah, instructor on, on a government facility. They had many all over the world. And so, ah, that's the way they tricked me into taking that test. They were just upgrading my ah, my top secret clearance is what they were doing. And then, and then they manipulated me into a job at White Sands Missile Range as an Art teacher ah, because the, ah, there were court rulings that forbided, forbided, forbid them, to require a clearance for teachers in that school. So, they just got somebody that already had a clearance, upgraded it, and maneuvered them into the job by, basically, they were intercepting my mail so that I, I got no responses to any job applications except the ones they wanted me to have.

Eben Rey: How did you come into their scope?

William Lyne: I, when I was in the Air Force I think I came under their scope when they realized that I had seen a UFO in 1953. I discussed that with ah, Arthur Clarke, who at that time, Arthur C. Clarke, was giving a lecture at Keesler Air Force Base. But before that I had uncovered a Soviet spy ring running the Air Force Career Counseling Center when I was 18 years old. And the government decided to poison me!

Eben Rey: What!

William Lyne: And ah, tried to kill me 'cause Eisenhower was afraid he'd lose the election if the public found out the Soviet Union had taken over the ah, Air Force Career Counseling Center. So, that failed. I survived. So then they lied to me and said the KGB was responsible for the problems I was having, which was sleep attacks. And ah, then they put me in Air Force Intelligence to shut me up; tried to put a lid on me so I couldn't, wouldn't talk to anybody. Make me think that that, that Clearance meant that I couldn't talk about UFOs or, or couldn't talk about the Soviet spy ring. But, actually, all that I acquired, all that information I acquired, what the FBI called, through innocent means. Which means that it wasn't covered by the security agreements.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: Meanwhile, I discussed this with Arthur C. Clarke when he gave a talk on, ah, it was called, ah, something like, "Unusual Aerial Phenomena." He was hired by the Air Force to go around and give talks on Air Force Bases, basically to cover-up UFO technology by describing it as ah, natural aerial phenomena. So, he gave his lecture about all these different phenomena that were responsible for all, for all those UFOs people were seeing. And so, I went up and shook his hand and said, 'Doctor Clarke, I enjoyed your lecture but you and I both know that you're a God damned liar.'

Eben Rey: Heh, heh, heh.

William Lyne: 'That flying saucers are man-made electricals,' this part I didn't put in the book, 'you can't fool me. I've seen them up close. I know they're electrical. And I know they exist. They're real. They're not natural phenomena.' You know, and he just kind of looked and his eyebrows popped up and he smiled at me and said, 'nice meeting you too, young man.'

Eben Rey: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

William Lyne: I figured out that, that information got back to them. You know what I mean. Throw all over the place. Because at that time, actually, the Air Force Intelligence people were trying to help me. But they didn't know I was being poisoned but they knew I was getting screwed by the Air Force.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: And ah, I was washed out of a technical school for phoney reasons. By the, basically, the poison they gave me, Belladonna, was 80 times the maximum dosage. It was a lethal dosage. But it didn't kill me.

Eben Rey: Wow!

William Lyne: And that was the Nazis (sic) used to kill ah, 450,000 people before Hitler ever even came to power. Ah, they ah, they used it on all the mental patients in Germany. They thought they could wipe out all schizophrenia by killing everyone related, even related with someone with schizophrenia.

Eben Rey: Wow!

William Lyne: But ah, that was the SS that were trained by the Tavistock Institute of Britain and ah, under Rockefeller funding beginning in 1923 approximately. Ah, so, by the time Hitler came to power they had ah, exterminated something like 450,000 mental patients. But ah, anyway, ah, the, the whole thing was back, backed with Belladonna and the poison, ah. Belladonna makes you gullible. You'll believe whatever someone tells you at, at. It, it lowers your will power.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: And that's what it was used by the Nazis. See they developed the truth serum with it. They mixed it with heroin. And that's what we call, what we now call the drug Versave, today which is given to patients in surgery. And ah, it can damage your brain and give you narcolepsy and kill cells. It's a neurotoxin. It can kill cells in your hypothalamus and give you ah, narcolepsy.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: So, anyway, that's just the kind of things that they were doing to me. But they knew I was, you know, I was wise to all their stuff. And they couldn't lie to me. Here's, here's Arthur C. Clarke lying to Air Force Personnel on bases all over the country. And ah, you know, he's, he's ah, known as a, a nice person and a good writer and so forth. But they were using his illustrious reputation, you know, he actually, ah, Arthur C. Clarke had some of the, ah, early patents in Britain for electro-magnetic launching of rockets and that sort of stuff. But, ah, so, he wasn't in the dark. He was on the inside track. He was an insider.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: And, ah, but, so that basically was very early in my life that. I was only 18 years old. And I survived this poisoning and, and they deny this Soviet spy ring ever existed, now, even though it led to the capture of Colonel Rudolph Able. Ah, they deny that it ever happened. They won't release any documents. They lie and say they don't have'em and so forth. This type of thing. So, I know it happened because I was there.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: Of course, they can call me a liar all they want to. Well, I say I can prove they're a liar about a hundred thousand times more

Eben Rey: Heh, heh, heh.

William Lyne: than they could ever prove me.

Eben Rey: Now, what did George Bush want from you in 1975?

William Lyne: Well, I don't know why. You know, it was a possibility he was after the, ah, oil interest that my family had, ah, since my cousin was his secretary for five years. My first cousin was his secretary at Tidewater Oil Company in Houston. So, it's possible with that. But the main thing was he [George H.W. Bush] was pals with my, ah, he and his wife were pals with my in-laws, my, first, ah, wife's family. And around 1992 when I was writing this book all of a sudden I slapped my forehead and I said, 'oh no, not that George and Barbara.'

Eben Rey: He, he, ha, ha, ha, ha.

William Lyne: They were always going somewhere like to Minnesota and taking their boat. They had this ah, inboard, outboard ah, boat that they would take with them all the way to Minnesota just to be with George and Barbara.

Eben Rey: Hmmmm.

William Lyne: You know, they'd go fishing for the weekend or something like that up there.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: And so it would be different parts of the country, they'd meet up with their old friends. And they knew each other from the 1950s in ah, in Odessa, Texas which is where the Bushes lived at that time.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: And then they later they went off and then they came back in 1962, they came back to Midland, Texas.

Eben Rey: Um hmm.

William Lyne: But, I guess they knew. You know, I'd done my service. I was a sucker. I was a, I was a Republican for a number of years. And I had done a lot of footwork for those people. I actually helped them rebuild the Republican Party in Texas which didn't even exist

Eben Rey: Hmm. Hmm.

William Lyne: at the time. But I was a Goldwater Republican. And ah, then I got involved, I was really, the only place for me considering the fact that I was really a Libertarian, that there was no place for a Libertarian. And you know, and then I realized that they had lied to Kennedy when they kicked me out of Peace Corps training because the CIA lied to Kennedy when they told them that I worked for them.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: So, I realized that they were withholding information from Kennedy because I had uncovered the ah, missiles being installed in Cuba, the Russian missiles. I had uncovered that in April of 1962 and gave that information to five CIA people who were in the Peace Corps training with me.

Eben Rey: Right.

William Lyne: And of course, they weren't kicked out. I was kicked out.

Eben Rey: Pashew.

William Lyne: But they didn't tell me why they kicked me out. I didn't find out for four years. But, I found out, well, they had lied to Kennedy. So I knew they, when those missiles popped up in, in Cuba, ah, that missile crisis happened in October. I realized they withhold inform-, they withheld information from ah, Kennedy for ah, six months.

Eben Rey: Whoa!

William Lyne: So, I knew there was a battle going on between Kennedy and the CIA. And then when Kennedy said he was going to dismantle the CIA I said 'yippee'.

Eben Rey: Hmm, hmm, hah, hah, hah.

William Lyne: And ah, they knocked him off. And of course, there are certain people that think that ah, the mafia did it. No, the mafia, the mafia worked for the people who paid them to do it. They were involved in it, you know. They were definitely involved in it, but they certainly had no motive to kill the president. I mean, can you imagine?

Eben Rey: Yah. What! Tsk.

William Lyne: It's ridiculous.

Eben Rey: Yah, absolutely, absolutely ridiculous for it, for it to go to that level. Let's…

William Lyne: Yah, … they're in it for the money. You know, they don't have grudges against presidents to the point that they're going to kill him. You know, it's ridiculous.

Eben Rey: You know, let's jump to the um, the topic of the UFO community, sir, and what is thought out there because I have gone to a number of, of ah, conferences um, out there and it seems that there is um, a singular view of UFO phenomena within ah, the, the UFO community which is that it is extra-terrestrial.

William Lyne: Oh, yah. That's ridiculous. That's just a bunch of lies. The government started all this garbage back in, in the 40s when they, you know, actually, the truth of the matter is the government had knowledge of UFO technology for, since the 30s.

Eben Rey: Hmm.

William Lyne: Ah, actually, the project that I mentioned in Los Alamos was actually, in, in 1936 to '38 was actually run by ah, Nikola Tesla. And ah, it, it involved Wernher von Braun who was an invitee of the American Rocket Society. Ah, there were two groups of this Rocket Society; there were more than two groups but the main group, the leading group was actually a bunch of private individuals who founded the [American] Rocket Society [renamed in 1935]. My friend Peter van Dresser who founded the Society and then later Goddard belonged to the Society. But, these guys in New York were doing the most advanced rocket research in the world; and they were doing it out of there own pockets. They didn't have any funding.

Eben Rey: Wow.

William Lyne: And Goddard over in New Mexico he, he was, his laboratory was in Mescalero; and he had a firing range in Valle, New Mexico; and his research was funded by the Smithsonian Institution, National Geographic, the Simon and Florence Guggenheim Foundation and ah, and the, there was some other, I can't remember who. Ah, National Geographic, did I say them? And the Smithsonian, yah, I got them in there.

Eben Rey: Right, right.

William Lyne: They had all this funding and here were these guys in New York which was like somebody mowing lawns and doing the greatest rocket research in the world with the money.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: You know, it's like these guys in the Depression and they, ah, Peter invented the first successful liquid fueled rocket engine in the world. And then, like a sucker he takes it over to New Mexico and, and, and shows [Robert] Goddard. And Goddard hands it over to [Wernher] von Braun. And von Braun who, who had shown up with, from Germany with 16 top Nazi scientists working this project for two years in New Mexico, took it all back to Germany.

Eben Rey: Oh no.

William Lyne: So, he took the rocket research and the UFO research that they had done in a project in Los Alamos project called P2.

Eben Rey: So, hold it. The, the, the UFO research didn't come from the Flying Wing technology that the Nazis were doing? They took, they got it from us?

William Lyne: They got it from us.

Eben Rey: Ahh!

William Lyne: That stuff, that flying wing stuff is all aerodynes.

Eben Rey: OK.

William Lyne: So, there's always been this dualistic cover-up even way back, ah, using aerodynamic stuff to cover-up the real ah, UFO stuff.

Eben Rey: OK. Very good.

William Lyne: So you got this dualistic thing, and it works in tandem with the rocket stuff. So, the rocket stuff is a cover-up for the UFO stuff.

Eben Rey: OK.

William Lyne: I've seen these things many times and I guarantee you they exist. And anybody who says they don't is an idiot. I won't ah, care if they got twenty PhDs, I'll tell them right to their face, 'you are, sir, are an idiot or a liar.'

Eben Rey: 'You're an operative.'

William Lyne: And anyone with a PhD who says they believe that the aliens have been here is a liar.

Eben Rey: Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.

William Lyne: 'cause anyone who's gotten to that level of education knows very well that the distances are too great.

Eben Rey: Hmm, hmm. So, tell me, what is it then within the um, UFO ah, community to steer people into this ah, extraterrestrial kind of, you know, like you know, Steven Greer and all these individuals that area….

William Lyne: Oh, yah, they're all a bunch of government toadies. They work for the government. They have, what they do is, they get the grants. They get grants from the government to do these projects. They write up a proposal and if the government accepts it, they're funded. So, in other words, if it involves aliens, they're going to fund it.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: So, there is actually an office somewhere in Los Alamos where you can submit there grant applications. And ah, people like Jack Sarfatti out there in California, he's another one of those guys. And he actually admits on his website, even admits that he's funded by the Los Alamos National Lab. And he's like one of those higher ups with a PhD who talks about aliens. That's what I call enhanced credibility.

Eben Rey: Right, right.

William Lyne: They get these people with high credentials to say there's aliens coming here.

Eben Rey: What do you think of, what do you think is going on in Mexico? Jaime Muson always brings out ah, this footage, just in Mexico, these flying silver globes, et cetera, all that stuff.

William Lyne: Look, they can't fly that stuff around here. We're too sophisticated. So, they take it down there where they got a bunch of people with primitive, ah, religious beliefs. And they're easier to sucker in. And they can, these things move so fast, they can, they can take 'em and test them anywhere they want to. They don't have to do it here anymore.

Eben Rey: Right, right.

William Lyne: They've disappeared from my neighborhood, practically. I haven't seen one for months.

Eben Rey: Right.

William Lyne: Ever since Obama took office these things have just disappeared from this area.

Eben Rey: Huh.

William Lyne: And ah, and ah, we were seeing, we could see 'em most any night, really. And you could see 'em, you know, by looking out over the mesa behind my house, moving over there, low to the ground. Ah, they've done a lot of cattle mutilations in this area.

Eben Rey: Yah, wow. Now how do you, how do you link those together?

William Lyne: The cattle mutilations are just testing particle beam weapons on cattle. What they want is a stealth murder weapon.

Eben Rey: OK.

William Lyne: They want something they can fly around in a craft that nobody believes exists and they can shoot a beam and wipe out some, ah, somebody's immune system.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: Obvia-, obviously, they're testing the cattle, but the main target is human beings.

Eben Rey: Yah, because the cattle, the, the injuries to them, these clean, these clean cuts and their, their.

William Lyne: That's all old technology. That's nothing new. They've got, they've had the, the cauterizing scalpel was inven-, invented in 1938. You know, that, that's mentioned in the book Magnificant, Magnifitant, Magnificent Obsession, which is an old book and made into a movie starring Rock Hudson as the doctor that invented it. But the cauterizing scalpel was all that is. It just burns the cut as it cuts and that way it seals off the blood. But they have such

Eben Rey: Ahhh.

William Lyne: remarkable exsanguination techniques. They use a standard blood coagulant. And then they put the animal in a microwave chamber and withdraw the blood. And it all comes out in one big long string.

Eben Rey: Oh my God!

William Lyne: It even removes the Copper from the liver which, it tells you that the microwave has been used on the animal. And basically, all they are doing is counting ions. They want, they shoot the animal. Ok, it destroys the immune system. These are cattle that have, that have been checked by a vet two days before they end up as a, as a victim. Ah, they're checked by a vet and they are totally free of pneumonia. Two days later they're totally full of pneumonia.

Eben Rey: Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.

William Lyne: And the only way it could happen is their immune system has been wiped out.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: They shoot 'em with these beams. Then they, then they pick up the cattle and, and remove tissue that can be analyzed to see what kind of ionization evidence is left. In other words, they don't want any evidence. They want this to be, you know, where it can't be proven, where ah, they can kill anybody or kill any, you know, basically, ah, surreptitiously fly in, zap somebody with a beam, wipe out their immune system, and they die of pneumonia. The same thing, people, when people die of AIDS, they die of pneumonia, ah, they die of terminal pneumonia.

Eben Rey: Hmmm. That's true.

William Lyne: So, whether it's tuberculosis or what ever

Eben Rey: Right, right.

William Lyne: you're gonna die of terminal pneumonia. And that's what you get when your immune system's gone.

Eben Rey: Hmmm. What do you think, sir, um, what is, ok, let me ask this, going back to these conferences, et cetera, and uh, trying to relate this to ah, extraterrestrials, et cetera. What are they trying to do then to the minds of the public um, around UFOs?

William Lyne: Well, there's always been this old nagging idea that they're going to do a fake invasion to take over, to have a world government or something.

Eben Rey: Right.

William Lyne: But, the way I see it, that would kill the goose that laid the golden egg; and these people are, if anything, they are money oriented.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: If they were to take over, they would kill the goose that laid the golden egg, and all the money would disappear because no one would have any incentive to produce it, any wealth. So, you know, of course, I think most of the real wealth is being produced out of the United States because we've been turned to, turned into a bunch of consumers.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: And this is very dangerous. I could see this starting back in the 1960s when they started moving the technology, started to ah, leak out. 'Cause we had so much wonderful technology in this country. And now all the Third World has it, you know, they all have the alloys, the special alloys that we developed.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: And everyone thinks that we stole this from the Germans. Now we had some wonderful technology in this country and a lot of it went from here to Germany before the war, even during the war.

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: 'cause we had a lot of spies in this country and they were stealing a lot of technology. So, it wasn't just a one way deal.

Eben Rey: Right.

William Lyne: And ah,

Eben Rey: So, you don't believe in the fake alien invasion because um, ah, because somehow that would, what? It would delegate authority to ah, these aliens and, and, what, the people would be left out. How does that kill the goose?

William Lyne: Well, you would have to have a dictatorship. I mean, they would use this, the only excuse to doing a fake invasion would be to fool people and put them into emergency status.

Eben Rey: Right.

William Lyne: So they can all be rounded up and, and, and, totalitarianize, so to speak.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: So that's, that's an insane idea. But, you know, let's face it. These world government people have been at it for a hundred years.

Eben Rey: Right.

William Lyne: And it failed. Because, sooner or later they're gonna have to tell you, 'well, we've got a dictatorship,' and that's when you pull out your gun.

Eben Rey: Heh, heh, heh, heh.

William Lyne: And, you know, they're kind of wimpy types, these people are anyway.

Eben Rey: Yah, they hide behind.

William Lyne: They need an army to back them up in order to do anything.

Eben Rey: Right, heh, heh. That's so true. You.

William Lyne: An army would probably revolt too, you know, even though a lot of 'em are, you know, don't have the best education in the world. They, at least, have some basic understanding of, 'Wait a minute. We swore our allegiance to the Constitution. This doesn't seem to be Constitutional.'

Eben Rey: Hmmm.

William Lyne: And you know, they've already had some minor revolts in the military that have been covered up.

Eben Rey: Well, you know what ah, Mr. Lyne, um, time isn't on our side, dag nabbit, I know it isn't supposed to exist. But it gets in the way of us continuing our (laughs), our conversation at this time. So, you know what? I am going to line up ah, a time were we get to spend a full two hours, sir. Take calls. And ah, we're going to um, um, just let you um, and let folks come in and talk with you because, boy, you are bringing forth exactly what people need to, to hear. Uh, especially those who are at the conferences and are confused about the myriad of information and the myriad of ah, experiences or the experiences they think they're having.

William Lyne: Oh, all this stuff is sickening.

Eben Rey: Yes sir.

William Lyne: It's absolutely sickening to losers, these people leading these things.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: Like Steven Greer, what a phoney. He's like a, ah, Bahia supposedly. I don't think you can believe anything the man says. But he says he's a Bahia and he's made himself a guru.

Eben Rey: Yah, yah, interesting.

William Lyne: And he's a kind of totalitarian group that he's formed ….

Eben Rey: Well, this is …

William Lyne: He interviewed me and never used the interview.

Eben Rey: Oh. Well, …

William Lyne: That so-called Disclosure Project. They did a video, they came over here with a video, came and interviewed me and never used it. So, I thought, well, that's suspicious because why would he do that? Because what I'm saying goes right against what he's saying.

Eben Rey: Well, you know what Mr. Lyne? I'm certainly, you have ah, ah, ah, a nice conduit of your truth right here. And so I appreciate so much that you are staying on this. And let me let people know where to find your work. Ah, it is at h-t-t-p-colon slash slash, Lyne, l y n e 4, the number four, Lyne, l y n e dot tripod dot com. Lyne-four-lyne dot tripod dot com. [http://lyne4lyne.tripod.com] It'll be up on the net. And so, Mr. Lyne, until next time. And we're going to get together very soon. It's been to long. Just appreciate the amazing work that you do. And I want you to have a wonderful day.

William Lyne: Alright. Well, thank you very much Eben.

Eben Rey: Yes.

William Lyne: I really appreciate the opportunity.

Eben Rey: Yes sir. Ah, until next time, thank you again.

William Lyne: Alright.

Eben Rey: Alright. Thank you sir.

William Lyne: Thank you.

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Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:31 am
Something's Happening with Roy of Hollywood Part B
Radio Alchymy host, Eben Rey, interviews William Lyne on "UFO's are Manmade".
1:01:44 to 1:25:54 on Real Player transcript.