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History Of The Democrats And The KKK.

Seeded on Thu Aug 6, 2009 1:47 PM EDT
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The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

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Larry H-189743

Presidents who were members of the KKK:

Warren Harding, Woodrow Wilson, McKinley, Calvin Coolidge, and IIRC Harry Truman.

Also Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black, appointed by the radical leftist FDR.

9 posted on Free Republic, Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:19:29 AM by Jacquerie (We live in a judicial tyranny - Mark Levin)

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 1:49 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Larry,

Yeah but try telling any modern Dem. these Facts, and all you're liable to get in return is a dumbfounded stare.

Thanks for the seed, now I'll have to find the book Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White .

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 2:56 PM EDT
Pacific Northwest Blogger

Just keep in mind, that Democrats and Republican's switched ideals in the early 20th century. A further push for the Republican's, and former Democrats now called the Dixicrats cemented the ideology switch with the civil rights movement.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 2:56 PM EDT
Pacific Northwest Blogger

An example of that switch in today's headlines

Republican Congressman Jokes about Democrats Getting "Lynched" at Town Halls, GOP Audience Laughs

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey PNB,

Yes that is the usual refrain we hear, but who stood in the way of Civil Rights and who pushed it forward?

Here is some lines about the C.R. act of 1964 from Congresslink.Org:

After outlining specific recommendations and lining up bipartisan support, the Kennedy administration sent its proposal for a bill to Congress on June 19. Political factors continued to shape the President's attitude. He worked to secure Republican congressional assistance; he sought unsuccessfully to ward off opposition from the southern wing of his own party; and he urged African American leaders to control demonstrations more carefully so as not to scare off potential supporters by inciting violence in the streets.

and this

The House of Representatives debated the bill for nine days and rejected nearly one hundred amendments designed to weaken the bill before passing H.R .7152 on February 10, 1964. Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success. This same arrangement would prove crucial later to the Senate's approval of the bill.

Then we have the Senate Record

When the House-passed bill reached the Senate floor in March 1964, three groups of senators formed: pro-civil rights Democrats, southern Democrats opposed to the bill, and Republicans. Senator Hubert H. Humphrey led the Democrats who supported the bill and worked actively for its passage. As Senate majority whip, Humphrey enjoyed the support of Mike Mansfield, Senate majority leader. Together they were determined to pass the legislation and even arranged grueling twelve-hour daily sessions to wear down the opposition. Humphrey's task was to line up supporters to defend the bill in debate, to persuade reluctant members of his party to vote for passage, to encourage publicity, and to count votes. The Senator from Minnesota labored hard for passage and sought cooperation from many sources, including the Republicans.

Senator Richard Russell, Democrat from Georgia, led the so-called opposition forces. The group was also known as the "southern bloc." It was composed of eighteen southern Democrats and one Republican, John Tower of Texas. Although a hopeless minority, the group exerted much influence because Senate rules virtually guaranteed unlimited debate unless it was ended by cloture. The "southern bloc" relied on the filibuster to postpone the legislation as long as possible, hoping that support for civil rights legislation throughout the country would falter. The Democratic leadership and Humphrey could not control the southern wing of the party.

And finally, this little tid-bit:

The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.

Emphasis mine

Source

Please know that I am Not a Republican, I just like history to be accurately represented.

If you have a sourced article that backs your contention, I would be glad to read it.

Have a good day,

Aloha

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
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dsanthony

that is typical liberal nonsense... the dems and repubs switched in the 20th century. The dems have just moved the blacks to a new political plantation, and still regularly lynch and destroy any black (from powell to rice to thomas) who dares flee the plantation.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
MatM

that is typical liberal nonsense... the dems and repubs switched in the 20th century.

If by "Liberal Nonsense" you mean "historical fact" then you are right. If you took the time to read a book or two, or take a Political Sciences course, you'd know. Hell, anyone over the age of 75 can tell you about it as well.

The dems have just moved the blacks to a new political plantation, and still regularly lynch and destroy any black (from powell to rice to thomas) who dares flee the plantation.

And this shows how little you know, or choose to ignore, about current events. Powell was done in by the GOP, specifically the Bush admin when he refused to continue to be their spokesman for misinformation. Rice has never once been attacked because of her color by the Left. If you can provide a source for evidence, then I'll read it. Thomas, also, has never been attacked by the Left because of race, he was attacked because the FBI had a report from Anita Hill that she was almost sexually harassed by Thomas.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
douglasq

and still regularly lynch and destroy any black (from powell to rice to thomas) who dares flee the plantation.

Well, as a "Dem," these are the opinions I've noticed on the left regarding the three prominent African-Americans you mentioned:

Powell -- the left just loves him. But they would liked to have seen him show more backbone while Sec. of State (particularly while holding a vile of fake anthrax at the U.N.)

Rice -- the left really doesn't care either way about her except to say that she was simply a placeholder national security advisor/Sec. of State. Even though intelligent, she was always more suited for academia than for politics.

Thomas -- if anyone wants to keep African-Americans back on the plantations, it is Clarence Thomas (all except for hiim of course.)

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
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Blearc

All this changed with the Southern Strategy. Of the remaining GOP members left in congress, where is the majority of those seats?

    Reply#5 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 3:52 PM EDT
    robertlyn-schultz

    Hey Blearc,

    I know of only one member of either houses of congress that used to "Hood-Up" with the Klan, and that member is a Democrat. The truth is plain, but those who are blinded by ideology can not or will not see the stains inside their own glass house.

    Be proud of your parties history! 4,763 lynched Americans at the hands of the Klan and Democrats!!

    Wow, so glad I'm a Liberty Loving Libertarian (we have No such baggage).

    Have a good'un,

    Aloha

    • 3 votes
    #5.1 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:06 PM EDT
    dsanthony

    repubs are happy to welcome dems... though those blacks are deemed to be race traitors by the leftist race machine. Republicans just ask blacks to live up to the same standards as whites in terms of behavior, academic acheivement and vocational skills.

    dems have been pandering to the lowest common denominator of black culture for decades-- giving them the easy out of racism to explain any failure and offering handouts in the form of welfare and affirmative action. In 50 years, the democratic race machine has done what 200 years of democratic-forced slavery and oppression could not do -- they have caused the decay of black families and culture.

    • 4 votes
    #5.2 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
    Blearc

    robert how old is that one senator? Byrd or Bird not sure on the spelling.

    I'm not really getting the need to try to show the Dem's as racists.........

    OOOOOh its the Soto confirmation today, deflection ahh I see.

    But the libertarians don't have any successes either.

    but neihter of you answered the simple question I posed, where are the majority of memeber of Congress representing?

      #5.3 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
      robertlyn-schultz

      Blearc,

      I understand the point you are making, but it is besides the point of Larry's seed. I can not argue the limited involvement of elected Libertarians on the National Level as that is apparent to any watcher of thing politic.

      What gets me about this issue, and why I want this book, is the blatant misrepresentation of the history of race relations... i.e. that the Democrat party is the be all and end all for Civil Rights and they look out for minorities more than Republicans do - well that just ain't so. It is just so dishonest and not supported by the historical record.

      Hey don't get me wrong, I am not saying the Democrats are all racists or not, just as I'm not saying Republicans are all racist or not. What I am saying is that in my rational mind (debatable?) I can not fathom how anyone who believes in equal treatment of all people, can follow a party that holds a man like Sen. Byrd up as a leader. The same way I would have viewed any Party and membership who would have supported David Duke.

      Does it really matter how old a Klansman is? Does time wash the blood of all those innocent people, from a race criminal's hands?

      My bad if I seem a bit perturbed by this issue, but it is one that galls me. I just commentated on an article posted by a real left leaner here on the vine, who asked Sen. Kennedy and Sen. Byrd to step aside for the good of the party... I saw that and said "Good-to Go a lefty who has some sense of personal honor.' Well surprise surprise surprise... the article was calling for them to step down because they are both ill and it is getting in the way of the Dem. goals... and though they are both "worthy of respect" they should step aside. WTF A murderer of a young woman (OK Manslaughter), and an Old Klansman are worthy of respect... WOW.

      I am still a bit touchy with the whole Sen. Byrd dealio, and this seed brought it to the forefront of my mind.

      Have a good'un,

      Aloha

        #5.4 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:27 PM EDT
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        David Boddie

        Walk up to any KKK member these days and call him a liberal Democrat, and see what response you get. Sure, I'll accept the idea that the Dems started the KKK, but let's see if that sticks today.

        By the way, what is the purpose of this seed? Informational, or demonizing? Yes, yes, Martin Luther King was a Republican. I guess this means I should change parties, and join the KKK? Think they will let me in either place? Look at my profile and tell me...

        • 3 votes
        Reply#6 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:44 PM EDT
        Sir. Thinkswaytoomuch

        I also can't quite understand the purpose of this seed. It could be merely to inform, but anyone who paid some attention in US History class should know this.

        It's pretty hard to connect the KKK to the modern democratic party when the two chief candidates for nomination were a black man and a woman. Not exactly two groups thoroughly respected by the KKK...

        Anyway, it seems pretty irrelevant. It's like still harboring animosity towards the British for the war of 1812.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 5:52 PM EDT
        Blearc

        Deflection from the Soto confirmation...........

        • 1 vote
        #7.1 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:05 PM EDT
        Sir. Thinkswaytoomuch

        Deflection from the Soto confirmation...........

        Good point, I'd amend my post, even:

        For Christ's sake, we just confirmed a Puerto Rican WOMAN to the SCOTUS. Unless you're living in the past (like many, apparently) this is what counts, not the old democratic party.

        • 2 votes
        #7.2 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:09 PM EDT
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        E.Hall

        Note: The KKK as time has gone on has switched party Identity , Also note , the republican party and the democratic party have changed over the course of 140 years. Meaning , the modern Democratic party that you speak of , isn't the same we are talking about in the 1860's , By name yes , by ideals and general direction , No. And if MLK was a Republican , I highly doubt that he joined the mess of a party that we have now. Meaning applying a name to another name is useless. Especially if the precedent stated has been established 140 years ago and the identity has changed if not once , twice or thrice times. Also keep in mind , Republican , Democrat , Independent , and Green are only sorting bins , but everybody who is sorted out in that fashion have differing views. Period. So name is just that , Identity is what makes the difference in characteristics between then and now , and now and then.

        Edit: And if Sotomayor is Puerto Rican , who cares? She is a US citizen just like the rest of us and should be llooked at as such. To me she seems more of a citizen than McCain , based off of their geographical orgins. >.>

        • 3 votes
        Reply#8 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 7:37 PM EDT
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