Deconstructing the Myth of AIDS

Gary Null: The purpose of today's program is to do what the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, the Miami Herald, the Boston Globe, the Philadelphia Enquirer, the San Francisco Examiner, and other publications have refused to do. They are fully capable. They have experienced and talented journalists. They have resources. They have refused to look for the truth, in the subject of HIV and AIDS.

Today, this is a press conference. We will be sharing information that hitherto for, you have not been aware of.
We are not here to attack any individual. Instead, we are here to challenge the basic assumptions by which you the public, your physicians, our legislators that appropriate money for this, and our scientific community have all been guilty of not looking for the truth and accepting as absolute fact anything that has been said by people who have, in effect, have de facto control over the entire AIDS establishment. Specifically, Dr. Robert Gallo and Dr. Anthony Fauci, and also a Dr. David Ho, and Dr. Luc Montagnier. There are others, but those are the four pillars of the entire AIDS community.

Also, there are organizations, at one time, more that 75,000 foundations or organizations who were out preaching the gospel that HIV equals AIDS. That if you were diagnosed with an antibody test, you will die, whether it is six months or six years or twenty years depending on what the current political dogma was at the time. You had to be hit hard and multiple times and very quickly, according to David Ho, with a lot of different drugs.

This no longer represents science. This is more of a religion. And those who chose, at any time, for any legitimate reason to challenge this were considered the heretics and were offered up for public ridicule. Scientists from all denominations and all backgrounds who chose to offer any legitimate critique of why the HIV equals AIDS hypothesis was defective lost research grants. Their reputations were smeared. They no longer could get students in their classes at prestigious universities. [They] could no longer publish in the respected peer-reviewed journals. In effect, they were persona non grata. They were marginalized.

The very tactics used by the tobacco industry to attack its critics for a hundred years in which it never lost a law suit. The tobacco industry was never found guilty for a hundred years because they kept negating the science. Today, we have something similar in the world of AIDS. No one, not Bill Gates, not Bill Clinton, no one questions that HIV is the primary cause of AIDS, until today. We will question it. But we will use science to question it.

It is my hope that at the conclusion of this two hour special which will be posted and all supporting documents which I have individually reviewed and can independently verify are accurate, that you will use this information, if you are a journalist, as a starting point to realize that there are 2700 leading critics including some of the greatest scientists and clinicians in the world, Nobel Prize winners, who also agree with us.

There is no major media willing to offer a debate. Multiple times I have asked people who hold different points of view, please come on my program and debate the issue. They have refused to do so. And when Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier recently were on this program when I began to ask questions that simply challenged the basis for the discovery and isolation of the HIV virus they immediately hung up. I was fortunate to even have them on at all, because they have refused any open debate. And that is also true of Fauci and all the others.

Gary Null: Let us go now to our first panelist, David Crowe.

Gary Null: I will be mentioning some quotes from some of the people who we simply did not have them on the program per se. We can only get so many people on. But I will share their views with specific quotes and we will do it by categories such as the politics of AIDS and the HIV virus isolation and the drugs and the antibody test. So, before we go to you let me share a few views on the politics of AIDS and Robert Gallo.

Gary Null: This is from Dr. Hiram Canton, PhD, professor ethicist, Head of the School of Applied Ethics at
Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.

"The first casualty of the War on AIDS was the integrity of science. The exact moment of the crime can be pinpointed. It was in April 1984 at a press conference where then Health and Human Services Secretary Margaret Heckler declared that government scientist Robert Gallo had discovered the viral cause of AIDS.
Heckler held the discovery as 'yet another miracle for American medicine and science and a victory over a dreaded disease.' If smoke and mirror tricks are miracles, then miracle it was. Neither Gallo nor the Pasteur Institute proved that the virus was pathogenic. Indeed, they did not even isolate the virus, as the Pasteur Institute later admitted. But the spin doctors at the National Institute of Health had organized leading journals to endorse Secretary Heckler's miracle with the seal of science. From that moment all AIDS research and policies was based on a speculation converted to dogma by bureaucratic power.

This initial public execution of public integrity unleashed a propaganda machine that expands Heckler's initial, obvious whopper, 'victory over a dreaded disease' into a never ending sickness saga that extorts money and grinds millions into the muck of bad medicine. Be informed. Withdraw your consent from the most malignant fraud ever perpetrated in the name of medicine. Be aware that the primary truth in the AIDS war is that powerful agencies have declared war on you and your loved ones regardless of your HIV status. Be aware, AIDS science is 90% mindless repetition and 10% deeply, inconsistent findings of no clinical value."

Gary Null: And as I was mentioning earlier with over 75,000 organizations making money, livelihoods, and reputations off of AIDS and the dogma. None of those individuals or organizations are going to look for the truth. And indeed, if they were presented with the truth would have to immediately have to assail it.

Gary Null: Separately, from Professor David Rasnid, a PhD Biochemist. He is the founder, creator of the Protease inhibitor. And he, at the time, was working at the University of California.

"In 1990 at the San Francisco AIDS conference HIV co-discovered Luc Montagnier announced that HIV did not after all kill T-cells and could not be the cause of AIDS. Within hours of making this announcement he was attacked by the very industry he had helped create. The HIV hypotheses of AIDS is the biggest scientific-medical blunder of the 20th century. The evidence is overwhelming that AIDS is not contagious, is not sexually transmitted, and is not caused by HIV. The physicians who know or suspected the truth are embarrassed or afraid to admit that HIV tests are absurd and should be outlawed. And that the anti-HIV drugs are injuring and killing people. As a scientist who has studied AIDS for more than 24 years I have determined that AIDS has little to do with science and is not even primarily a medical issue. AIDS is a sociological phenomena held together by fear creating a kind of medical McCarthyism that has transgressed and collapsed all the rules of science and has imposed a brew of belief and pseudo-science on a vulnerable public."

Gary Null: And finally from Dr. Donald Miller, medical doctor, Harvard and Dartsmith, Professor of Surgery, University of Washington School of Medicine, and he says the following:

"AIDS is a government-defined disease. The CDC and the government funded investigators accept as fact the supposition that HIV causes AIDS and is sexually-transmitted. This is not to be questioned but this HIV equals AIDS model does not jibe with the true facts of either. Only one in one thousand unprotected sexual contacts transmits HIV. Only one in 275 US citizens has antibodies to this virus. Consequently, the average uninfected person would need to have 275 thousand random, unprotected sexual contacts to acquire sexually-transmitted HIV. The greatest threat to the life in the United States and the rest of the world is not the 30 diseases called AIDS. It's the 250 billion dollar AIDS industry composed of government, academic, medical, and industrial interests in the United States. I have concluded that AIDS is a scientifically dishonest construct, and exemplified in the death of my friend, Arthur Ashe. The lies that we have been told make it all the more deadly."

Gary Null: That is our opening.

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This Gary Null Program, 7/13/09, is a Special Program titled 'Deconstructing the AIDS Myth'

Gary Null's three panelists are a multi-award winning journalist and world leading investigators:

David Crowe, Rethinking AIDS president,
www.rethinkingaids.com
Rethinking AIDS, the group for the scientific reappraisal of the hiv/aids hypothesis.

Celia Ingrid Farber, author and website host.
Author of "Serious Adverse Events: An Uncensored History of AIDS," Melville House Publishing,
Hoboken, NJ 2006,
[Book review by Felton Davis with 34 footnotes at http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:S5AQFtcDwbsJ:aras.ab.ca/articles/popular/20090314-FarberBookReview-Felton.pdf+syphilis,+New+York+City,+Dr.,+Gary+Null,&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us. Email: DavisFelton3@Yahoo.com] and
the author of "AIDS & South Africa: A Contrary Conference in Pretoria," by Celia Farber, New York Press, May 25, 2000, found at www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfmbeki.htm
and author of the article "Out of Control: AIDS & the Corruption of Medical Science," by Celia Farber, Harper's Magazine, March 2006. www.harpers.org/OutOfControl.html
and author of "Sins of Omission: The AZT Scandal," by Celia Farber, Spin Magazine, November 1989
and "AZT Roulette: The impossible choices facing HIV-positive women," Celia Farber, Mothering, Sept/Oct 1998;
and "Lethal HIV Drug-Cocktail Chiller," by Celia Farber, New York Post, March 14, 2000;
and "Are AIDS drugs worse than the disease?" by Celia Farber, New York Press, Volume 17, Issue 52,
November 7, 2006, found at www.nypress.com/17/52/news&columns/celiafarber.cfm
Her website is www.thetruthbarrier.com

Janine Roberts, author, investigator.
Fear of the Invisible: An Investigative Journey into a reckless and contaminated Medical Industry, by Janine Roberts, published by Impact Investigative Media Productions, ISBN-10 #0955917727, 310 pages, June 30, 2008. US$19.95 or UK £12.99 http://www.amazon.com/Fear-Invisible-Janine-Roberts/dp/0955917727/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247954667&sr=1-1
www.fearoftheinvisible.com

Gary calls the following four people the "pillars of the entire AIDS community."

Dr. Robert Gallo (1937 - ), Robert Charles Gallo is the director of the Institute of Human Virology at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland. He and two longtime scientific collaborators, Robert R. Redfield and William A. Blattner, co-founded the institute in 1996 in a partnership including the State of Maryland and the City of Baltimore. In 2005, Gallo co-founded Profectus BioSciences, Inc., which develops and commercializes technologies to reduce the morbidity and mortality caused by human viral diseases, including HIV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gallo referenced, 7-18-09.
In the mid 80's, Gallo and his team co-discovered the virus they believed to be responsible for the killer disease known as AIDS. In addition, Gallo and his team developed a test that identified the virus in humans - the HIV antibody blood test. This test makes possible the early identification of infected people, allowing for early and better treatment resulting in longer life expectancies for those living with HIV.
http://aids.about.com/cs/expertadvice/p/gallo.htm referenced 7-18-09.

Dr. Anthony S. Fauci (1940 - ), Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, Chief of the NIAID Laboratory of Immunoregulation at the U.S. National Institute of Health in Bethesda, Maryland.
Dr. Fauci serves as one of the key advisors to the White House and Department of Health and Human Services on global AIDS issues …. http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/about/directors/ referenced 7-18-09.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

Dr. David Ho (1952 - ), Scientific Director and Chief Executive Officer of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York City since 1990, named professor and physician at Rockefeller University since 1996. Time magazine's Man of the Year in 1996. In 2006, Dr. Ho was a recipient of a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation grant for HIV vaccine research. http://www.rockefeller.edu/research/abstract.php?id=63 referenced 7-18-09.
He was a resident in internal medicine at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles in 1981 when he came into contact with some of the first reported cases of what was later identified as AIDS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._David_Ho
http://www.time.com/time/subscriber/personoftheyear/archive/stories/1996.html

Dr. Luc Antoine Montagnier (1932 - ), Pasteur Institute (French: Institut Pasteur) in Paris.
Luc Montagnier, Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and colleagues discovered the two HIV viruses that cause AIDS, in 1983 and 1985, to be honored by the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteur_Institute referenced 7-18-09.
http://www.pasteur.fr/ip/easysite/go/03b-00002j-000/en
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
http://aids.about.com/od/themindsofhivaids/p/montagnier.htm

This radio news conference program questioning the hypothesis that the HIV virus equals AIDS is also posted for listening or download at http://garynull.org

2:20-4:30 AM, Wednesday, July 15, 2009
A second rebroadcast of the Gary Null program, 7/13/09.

4:30-5:30 AM, Wednesday, July 15, 2009, Gary Null live.
On Real Player, 2:54:23.9
Some Excerpts from an open phone discussion of the AIDS/HIV myth.

2:15:23
Gary Null: Why don't you do this? Why don't you go to GaryNull.com [www.garynull.com] ? g-a-r-y-n-u-l-l-dot com. Go to the section on AIDS and first and foremost read the 2,000 plus statements from some of the brightest minds in the world who believed in the HIV equals AIDS hypothesis until they began their own independent investigation and found that it was all lies. Now, these are very demanding and exacting scientist[s] and they spoke out because they were so angry that the scientific community had been used and abused in this way.

Then, I have a textbook, on AIDS, in lay language, if fact, I intentionally wrote as, it was a philosophical treatise with Professor Jim [James] Feast, using Galileo and some historical figures and what happened in their day too more progressive-minded people throughout history, as an example of the socialization process of manipulating science today. It's virtually identical. So, you would find the style interesting. But you would find that the facts are important because we deconstruct each argument in 700 pages with a protocol that's over a 120 page chapter on how I was able to heal people completely who had AIDS-defining illness, whether it was Pneumocistis Carini pneumonia, Karposi's Sarcoma, Thrush, and get them back to complete health.
That's in there as well. There's 5,000 scientific references.

In addition, you can go to youtube [www.youtube.com] and watch
AIDS Inc., [www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQHXsmaxCiQ a 6:51 trailer of AIDS, Inc.]
Deconstructing the Myth of AIDS [www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoxCtYBXNpc 10:59 video ],
The Pain, Profit and Politics of AIDS [Gary Null podcast in three parts],
AIDS: A Second Opinion, and
AIDS: The Real Heroes [ Part 1. 15:23, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbFGJwC8xX4 and
Part 2, 14:02, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTHhTpmmz_I and
Part 3, 13:37. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWfU8b9DQmE&feature=PlayList&p=75E610AC11E39C46&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18].
Any of those multi-award winning documentaries are there, free, for you to watch.

Then you can look at the different articles that are on AIDS. Plus all the evidence that my panelists presented today we reviewed prior to the program and then had independent scholarly confirmation of each and every fact. So, no one was stating anything on this two-hour special that we had not independently verified as true. So this will give you weeks of reading so that you can take your time and absorb this information and do so in a proper, challenging, and analytical manner. OK? 2:18:12

2:21:08
Gary Null: I had five women come to see me over a period of six months. They all had similar characteristics. They were in their mid 50s. They were people who were well-educated and had what would be considered an upper middle-class lifestyle, a couple of them were actually in the wealthy class. They were socially conscious. They were doing good things for society. But when I started to pay attention, I look for patterns, because I frequently see as many as 15 to 20 people a day. They all had fatigue. They all had night sweats. They all had aches in their joints. They all had been to multiple, orthodox medical specialists prior to seeing me. None of them knew each other. They came from different parts of the country.

I asked, 'had you had hepatitis blood tests?' And they said, 'no. Why would I have it?' I had them all take hepatitis blood test and they were all hepatitis positive. I worked with them on a hepatitis protocol and today they're all normal. Why is it that none of their doctors thought to associate their fatigue with hepatitis? Because none of them would have been in the risk category. But, that's now. When I talked with them about their earlier life experiences, they all had been in high-risk groups. Whatever we do at some point in our life can stay with us the rest of our lives.

For example, if you smoke from the age of 16 to 30, and now you're 60, and you haven't smoked in 30 years, there's still a high probability that you'll develop lung cancer. Because of what we now know about DNA, how it's cumulative, the effects that that damage has on Telomere shortening and the inability of the body's cells to control the defective DNA. But we forget about what we did when we're no longer doing it. And our mind is, if were no longer doing something that's bad, then it couldn't be bad.

When, now let's segue into AIDS. When I began to work with people through Dr. Steven Gaiazza, the number one gay doctor in New York City. Virtually every patient he had was gay. And he was gay. Gaiazza called me. And I knew of him, I had never actually spoken with him before. And he said he needed some help. And I said, 'on what?' He had seen a syndrome and he couldn't figure it out. So I met with him and spoke with a total of 100 of his patients. They all got together and we chatted and it was in my studio on 92nd Street. And then I said, 'you all seem to have the following in common, you all go out a lot, at least five nights a week. You engage in unprotected anal intercourse. You take amyl nitrate so that you can have multiple sensations of orgasm. You're repeatedly infected with sexually-transmitted diseases. Now, Steven's specialty was syphilis. And all these men had syphilis and were being treated with an aquial [procaine] penicillin, which passes the blood-brain barrier, to destroy the spirochete. But they also had hepatitis. And they hadn't been tested for that. And when he tested them, every one of them had hepatitis. And they all had herpes-6, which is devastating.

So what they were being treated for, but not successfully, is because they hadn't been treated for everything they actually had. In a period of less than three months those that followed a very strict protocol were able to regain their health. At the end of about 12 months even the most resistant of their conditions had been helped. Gaiazza then realized that he had too narrow a perimeter that he was looking at in these men. Now mind you, were talking about 1977. So, we're talking about the height of the sexual revolution.

Now what was interesting, I was seeing the same phenomena in fast-track swingers that were using amyl nitrate, cocaine, and had multiple sexual-transmitted diseases because few people were using condoms at that time. There was little anal intercourse, but there was an awful lot of constant sexually-transmitted diseases. And a lot of those people smoked and drank as well. So they had multiple things hitting their immune systems. Because, once again, when I worked with them and they gave all that up, not healthy sex, but they gave up the unprotected sex. And they built their immune systems. They returned to health. That was what we would call today AIDS.

Both the heterosexuals recovered completely and the gays recovered completely when they rebuilt their immune systems and they stopped any behavior, whether it was the cocaine, the ecstasy, the amyl nitrates, the alcohol, the smoking. Now, smoking doesn't cause AIDS and drinking doesn't cause AIDS, but it's a contributing factor when you start adding on, how many other things that you put on this branch before you on the branch and everything else you put on the branch break the branch. Yes, it's about the tipping point. At what point do you tip?

For example, look at Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton ate cheese burgers, smoked cigars, drank alcohol, didn't exercise (there was some meaningless jogging occasionally) and he was very stressed. Any one of those, he could have probably have lived a longer life. But at some point the accumulative effects of that caused a tipping. Shortly before he was rushed into a hospital to have a triple-bypass operation to save his life, he had been diagnosed as a clean bill of health in an exam that all the Presidents get. So, here's the best doctors in America, supposedly, who are working on the President of the United States, former President of the United States, and they missed it all because you don't find what you're not looking for. So, and I'm saying that Bill Clinton will probably end up with Alzheimer's in another five years. 2:29

2:36:01
Caller: Hi, Gary.

Gary Null: Hello.

Caller: My name is Guadalupe, you talk about the people who are misdiagnosed with AIDS having very destructive lifestyles, I wonder how Arthur Ashe, conservative and very reserved as a tennis player. He didn't even put up with McEnroe's antics. I wondering how he, how could he…?

Gary Null: It was not his lifestyle that destroyed him.

It was the fact that he had had massive heart disease. Did you forget that? The reason he went in the hospital was that his heart was gone. It was his heart surgery that gave him infections. The probability was that those infections included hepatitis. And then, instead of accepting that he had hepatitis and treating the hepatitis, which is rampant in a lot of hospitals through surgery and blood-to-blood contact because he was also given transfusions. They immediately put him on AZT and then DDI and DDC and protease inhibitors.

So, like Ryan White who was just a hemophiliac the more drugs they gave him, the sicker he got. The sicker he got, the more drugs we have to give him. Ryan White was getting 1800 mg of AZT a day. If any doctor in the world, or listen, forget that, if any doctor in the United States were to give 1800 mg of AZT, they would lose their license to practice medicine. They could be found guilty and bankrupted in malpractice. But that's how much that young boy was getting. Kimberly Mergalis, the same way.

So, understand what I'm saying. They're saying, 'Ah, you're sick so we have to give you the drugs because when Arthur Ashe was diagnosed, he was following David Ho's, 'hit 'em hard, hit 'em fast' theory of give a lot of different drugs, all at once, and in high potencies. And that destroyed his immune system. Now, I happen to know this for a fact because Arthur Ashe spent a lot of time with me. He was in my clinical treatment room at 72nd and Broadway, almost every Saturday, all day. He would sit there with his notepad and talk with people and every person in that room with HIV, or ah, with AIDS defining who had been diagnosed with AIDS. He saw them over several months get better. He saw them and their medical records. He was an extremely curious person but at the end of the day he didn't want to. He didn't want to disappoint his doctor. He never started the Holistic practice.

He came to the Apollo Theater. I was the only white guy that filled the Apollo Theater. So many people came that we did it for five straight days. Every seat was taken, standing room only. It was a mob scene. And I was lecturing. And there he was. He was in the audience. I invited him up on stage. And people said, 'Are you going to do a holistic therapy?' 'I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it.'

He came down to Tony Brown's Journal [in 1992] to sit in.
And if you go to youtube [www.youtube.com], under Gary Null,
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crDPBahMjJk and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjgJm-YcOgw&NR=1 and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMaNMLvj0sQ&NR=1 ] you'll see Arthur Ashe.

And you'll see a person named Louie who for 13 months had been on a protocol and had every AIDS-defining illness you can imagine and today was completely cured. He had his medical records, before, and during and after. And people thought. Oh boy, you know, was that easy? Well, no, sit there six days a week as Louie did.

And all these people were treated for free I might mention. I paid for their therapy because there is no free therapy. If you got, you know, 200,000 mg of vitamin C, intravenous, with glutathione, the cost on that was $60 bucks, per day.

And so, anyhow, there was Louie with his medical records. But Arthur had actually been to the center and met Louie on several occasions. He had examined his medical records and his blood workups. All the blood workups were done at Liberty Labs, or at one of the major labs in the city and so there was no question that he went from near death to complete and total wellness. Now Louie had been an intra-venous drug user. He was straight, but an intra-venous drug user. So that the people that you saw coming down with AIDS were not the gay community, but the fast-tracks, the intravenous drug users and the hemophiliacs. That's who was coming down then. And people say well, I didn't do anything bad. Then you go into their background you see what they did that was destructive. Some people didn't want to acknowledge their earlier habits.

And, so, that was Arthur Ashe. So, Arthur had the heart surgery. Arthur had very serious life-challenging heart condition. And he was in, he was contaminated, he had multiple viruses. And acknowledged they, those weren't being treated. But, right up to within a week before he died I could see he was getting worse. And I said, 'why don't you start the protocol? You've spoken with 50, 60 people. You've seen every one has returned to health. You've spoken with over 12 physicians, Board Certified physicians in the office. You've, you've, you've read the medical records. I've given you the literature. I've given you the names over 100 long-term AIDS survivors who are using natural therapies.' The other ones were not using my therapies but they were using other people's therapies.' I says, 'What more do you need?' And you realize, it was not AIDS that killed Arthur Ashe, it was his belief system.

Caller: I appreciate you clearing all that up Gary.

Gary Null: OK.

Caller: And I appreciate all that you do. And I look forward to your continued work. Thank You.

Gary Null: Well, the difference is …. Here's how it works. Behind the scenes of this station, behind the scenes of this Foundation [the Pacifica Foundation], you will have a few, just a few individuals who belong to Act Up. Who will try to lobby behind the scenes who will lobby to get my program off the air. They will bring pressure to bear on Grace Aarons, the Executive Director, and start a campaign to get her fired. They're doing that as we speak, because she dares allow a program on the air that seeks the truth. Now I've asked these individuals 'come on the air and debate me.' They won't do it.

Then again, you saw when Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier were on the air, and I was polite as I can be, but when I got into the tough questions, they hung up. They're what I call truth deniers. The difference is I've written textbooks, done award-winning documentaries, written over 30 articles and do press conferences on the air. Put the documentation up. So, I'm willing, my panelists are willing to put our reputations on the line by showing what we have. And when you make a statement on the internet it's all over the world. You can't take it back. When you make a statement on the air, it's there as a matter of historical reference. They never do that.
They will not come up and debate us. Because they know if they debated myself, or Robert, ah, if they debated Professor Charles Geshekter or if they debated Peter Deusberg or David Rasnik, or Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize winner, or Dr. John Thomas, they would be shown to be idiots. So, they won't come near a debate. They work behind the scenes. But we're on the record. 2:43

2:44:45
Caller: Oh great, I just want to say that Gary Null, I respect all the work you're doing.
You're a true dissident and we need more people like you. I wanted to talk a little bit about the nature of AIDS. And what is confusing to me is how people say HIV does not cause AIDS which means, to my understanding a like, a guy like Magic Johnson be HIV positive for years and years and years.

Gary Null: He's not HIV positive. Here's the game. And I got this call from Magic Johnson's top person asking would I help Magic Johnson. [We] had a long conversation. I sent him my protocols, by the way. Now, normally I don't go on the record with anyone I help. I've helped over 1300 very famous people, including members of the Royal Family, including people who are chair people of Committees in Congress and Senate.

If you took half the most famous people in Hollywood figures, I mean the biggest names in the history of Hollywood. When I was a young man and with a cross-over audience with best-selling books and I would visit every Monday and beyond LA, Los Angeles with Ruben, Regis Philbin. I would come in on Friday morning. And from Friday, Saturday, and Sunday I would be going around to different very old world, old film stars and giving them counsel. They were retired. And most of them were physical wrecks. Never betrayed a confidence. Now I've counseled young celebrities. Never betray a confidence.

But Magic Johnson, I will go on the record and state that I would like Magic Johnson to have a blood chemistry test where I would tell what he would be tested for, Herpes 1, 2, and 6, and hepatitis. I would like to see, does Magic Johnson have herpes? Because if he has herpes, herpes will test you positive for the HIV virus. 2:47:08

2:53:02
Gary Null: And if they then understand that the HIV, fraudulent, antibody test gives false positive correlations with over 67 separate conditions. And those conditions include the flu vaccine, hepatitis, pregnancy, herpes 1, herpes 2, herpes 6, hepatitis, measles, arthritis, malaria, tuberculosis, malnutrition, and a whole lot more, and over 56 conditions. Then what happens is, you don't have HIV. But the medical community says 'ah, you've got HIV because you've tested positive.' And then you start getting the treatment. And it depends upon how strong your immune system is and at what level you are getting it. And then, you'll either survive a long time if you aren't taking the drugs all the time. 2:54