A Discussion with Dr. William (Dr. Bill) Deagle, MD on The New Technology-Driven Diseases - depleted uranium, electromagnetic force fields, bioweapons, Morgellon's Disease, and deadly vaccines. Transcript from the 7-22-08, Gary Null Show.

Gary Null: "Hi everyone, I'm Gary Null, and I'd like to welcome you to this program. Today we're going to be exploring some very important issues. How New Technologically-Driven Diseases, such as depleted uranium, electromagnetic force fields, bioweapons, deadly vaccines, and even the Morgellon's Disease, have all been created. These did not exist naturally. And why were these things were not being challenged by the mainstream media? When was the last time anyone in the mainstream media talked about chemtrails? What are they afraid of? Being seen as a, not a serious journalist? Well, unfortunately, I don't think you are a serious journalist unless you are willing to take on these issues.

Now we're going to talk today with Doctor William Deagle. And he's Board Certified in, ah, Family Medicine. And we're going to, ah, go over this in some depth with him.

And then tomorrow my guest is Dennis Kucinich. And I'm going to ask him about why has he, and others, not really gone on board to support the ah, removal of the Federal ah, Reserve. They acknowledgment of Gulf War Syndrome is real and demand through an Act of Congress that our, our brave men and women, 400,000 suffering from Gulf War Syndrome, and 32,000 have died from it. Why those statistics are not known? Go on the record, hold hearings, invite myself and other people who know the facts and who have been fighting this battle on behalf of the GIs for 18 years? And also to deal with how can we allow the government in violation of every international treaty, including the Geneva Convention, to continue to act like a rogue state and create weapons of mass destruction all the while pointing our finger at the rest of the world without once being responsible for what we have done, ah, even worse than anyone else? Let's see if he's going to be able to handle that. So, tomorrow, Dennis Kucinich. In fact I'm going to have him on both of my programs, the eleven o'clock as well as the noon show.

Let's go over and say hello now to my guest Doctor William Deagle. I understand you like to go by the name Bill."

Dr. William (Dr. Bill) Deagle, MD: "Oh, yah, Doctor Bill. Just like Doctor Phil. And ah, I'm an iconoclast. I like to deal with facts. And unfortunately, reality has and my background is internal medicine, trauma, and occupational-environmental medicine. And although I'm not in the military I've worked on a number of military projects and ah, Special Projects for many, many years. Ah, the reality is far darker that people can imagine in terms of incompetence, and the promulgation of illness. And when, ah, the precautionary principle should be used whether it's cell phones, or Aspartame, or vaccines it's never implemented even when they know and were aware of the fact that ah, dangers exist. For example, the cell phone industry has known for some time that they should be putting on shields on their cell phones to not cause the ELF damage to people's eighth cranial nerve or brains. But their lawyers have advised them not to do this or it will open up a Pandora's Box of lawsuits." Aspartame.

Gary Null: "OK, what I want to do is this. I, I, I wanna, instead of being episodic I want to be very focused.

Dr. Bill: "That'll do it."

Gary Null: "I want you to be firing me a hundred and twenty mile an hour hardballs. All right? Here we go, one topic. Give the facts as you know them. Separate out your opinion. Your opinion is no more relevant than mine or anyone else's."

Dr. Bill: "Exactly, yah."

Gary Null: The facts are relevant. Here's where we're going. We're going over seven different issues, starting with depleted uranium poisoning and the new uses for it. And give us your feedback on depleted uranium which all our soldiers in Iraq have been exposed to."

Dr. Bill: "Depleted uranium, of course, ah, is a boomerang weapon. Ah, sixty percent of the dry mass, roughly, burns between three and six thousand degrees because it's a pyrophoric, ah, penetrator that literally melts through the target. Ah, it could be replaced by ah, special forms of glass and zirconium and others. But it's not. And ah, it is a by-product of the production of uranium fuel rods for nuclear reactors. Ah, this has been, many thousands of tons have been used in Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. And it's caused many, many veterans to come back loaded, literally to the gunnels with nano-particles that poison their bodies because it's the same place on the Periodic Table of elements, ah, section 6B. It displaces Molybdenum and Chromium. And of course looking at the diseases of those minerals are necessary for, Molybdenum helps to catalyze the reaction, ah, called alcohol dehyrogenase that makes neuro-transmitters. So, you can expect neuro-muscular disorders, brain damage, peripheral neuropathy, Alzheimer's disease, et cetera. And chromium, ah, causing ah, tissue insulin resistance, diabetes, obesity, ah, and many other wasting conditions because it blocks the hexose-monophosphase shunt, even, one of the energy pathways, causing very serious ah, ah, (if they have a high exposure rate) ah, wasting that occurs even faster, believe it or not, than ah, if they starve to death and have no food at all. So, DU is killing our troops by the, by the thousands. Many of them come back and they are told they should not reproduce, because they're having ah, such dangerous levels of nano-particles.

Ah, they've done incorrect tests in the five states that said they've have passed laws, including New Mexico. I've talked to Doctor Asaf Durakovic, [UMRC's Director of Research] who works for the Uranium Medical Research Council [Centre] [UMRC] and others, ah, like Tedd [Edward C.] Weyman. And they have stated they do have correct testing. But whenever they do the testing they get chased from the country, including the United States, Canada, Britain, and Germany by various political and ah, corporate forces that don't want correct testing to prove, that demonstrated that the veterans have U-238 four, which is only a by-product of, ah, the uranium enrichment program that makes DU munitions. And ah, it's destroying the lands where they do this. It's salting the land permanently with an isotope that has a half-life of four point five billion years, reduced to half the concentration. So, long after the sun is a dead cinder in a spinning, dying galaxy we'll still reaping the harvest from depleted uranium.

So, ah, every person on Earth is now breathing depleted uranium particles because these circulate through the troposphere. It is an omnicidal, ah, molecule that each ah, degrading uranium ion, ah, atom, actually, releases a, ah, alpha particle equivalent to four point nine zero million electron volts with a cell working at ten electron volts of internal voltages for its biological processes. So, it causes tremendous damage equivalent, to an average person, of ah, one ah, micro particle of 2.4, ah, ah, 2.4 nano-, ah, ah, microns across will release enough radiation to be equivalent to 390 Rems per year. And it continues to give for ah, many, many years. So, the radiation is anywhere from eighty times, from that one particle, ah, maximum ah, exposure to uranium miners to two hundred times the exposure ah, for civilians.

So, in places like Port Hope Ontario, Iraq, Kosovo, and Afghanistan this causes tremendous birth defects, ah, sterility, ah, males even display ah, what's called hot semen. So their wives will complain that it burns. And they have to immediately douche. Ah, it's just pror, it's a horror. Ah, and the fact that the, ah, Veterans Administration calls the vets for exposure to insane vaccine schedules. Many that have not deployed develop a form of Gulf War Syndrome or the depleted uranium or the combination of that and the excessive deep exposure or the Aspartame in the sodas that are delivered to the Gulf that contain Aspartame. The DU is the worst of all of these. And it is killing our troops at a, enormous rate. Um, and it's an obscenity! And to me it's…

Gary Null: Well, well, OK, I, I just want to stick with facts…"

Dr. Bill: "Yah, the fact is..."

Gary Null: "…and not editorializing. Let me share a different view about Aspartame which you jumped over. When Aspartame is in a plastic bottle, a soft drink. And that soft drink gets up to a hundred and ten degrees which is very easy to do when they're out in the sun …"

Dr. Bill: "Absolutely."

it breaks down. And it breaks down into three separate compounds, all of which are neurologically destructive. They're …"

Dr. Bill: "Absolutely."

Gary Null: "antagonistic to the neurological system which, in turn, can cause a change in dopamine and serotonin levels and guava levels, which also means that the person can manifest in emotional or erratic behavior. And we've seen erratic behavior. We call it post-traumatic distress disorder. But there are individuals who have been over there and not even had conflict, ah, all of them, some have even been in maintenance details and are suffering from these manifestations. So we must not rule out Aspartame. We must not rule out the, ah, experimental Botulism and Anthrax vaccine."

Dr. Bill: "Right."

Gary Null: "And we shouldn't be giving these vaccines at this point in any case because they're not weaponized over there. We assume that Saddam Hussein who had our progenitor for the Anthrax and Botulism. We're the ones who gave it to him. He would have weaponized it using the Russian model of weaponization. Meaning, you change the nature of your vaccine, er, change the nature of your virus or your bacterium every six months. That way, no one can ever create a vaccine that is matching it. If the vaccine isn't exactly matching the one you've been exposed to, it's worthless. So, knowing that we haven't changed the vaccine order in, in over a decade, we're giving worthless vaccines to our GIs with this false notion that if, if they come in contact with an Anthrax or Botulism that it would protect them. And nothing is further from the truth.

Dr. Bill: "Absolutely."

Gary Null: "They're used purely as experimental guinea pigs. Your thoughts please."

Dr. Bill: "Yah, I think that ah, not only that, they know that it's laced with Squalene that in, in gerbils produces a Lupus-like syndrome. I recall seeing vets that were not deployed that just had the Anthrax vaccine alone at Fort Carson in the early '90s. And what happened is even non-deployed ones develop poly-neuropathy, transverse myoleitis, organic brain damage, serious mood disorders. Ah, this is quite serious. And they did develop a Lupus-like syndrome, ah, poly-eurythritis, ah, many, many problems. Signs of vasculitis of their blood vessels. Ah, it's an obscenity.

And when we actually started investigating, ah, we got threats. I was a civilian working on these projects with the military. They told us you'd get fired or worse. I said, 'What's worse?" If I either did heavy metal exposure toxicity tests ah, for depleted uranium because many of the guys at Fort Carson were going back and forth to Qatar and to Saudi Arabia and cleaning up yellow cake and other dust off of the equipment, including Bradleys and tanks that they were selling to the Saudis and Qataris. And I was told that if I investigated with radio-toxicology or immunology for those vets, non-deployed, that were developing serious problems that I would be fired or worse. And they said they would terminate me. Period. And I mean kill. Period. Ah, so, they weren't joking. Ah, there were other doctors in the country that did discover the association of these poly-toxins and the Gulf War Syndrome is a grab bag of at least five syndromes. Many of them got very sick from the vaccines alone. But when they get the multiple insult of DU and Aspartame and vaccines and DET. It was just a nightmare!

Gary Null: Let's go to the next issue. Electromagnetic fields, thermal and non-thermal DNA altering effects. Last Thursday, I was one of the individuals supporting a, ah, community people, including a, two of our [New York] State Legislature and a member of our City Council supporting removal of radio-frequency towers, multiple ones, off buildings over off of Riverside Drive and Weston Avenue. And the people were talking how they shouldn't be there, and how AT&T should take them down. And I was there to, I talked to them about here are the dangers based upon the studies done around the world on these electro-magnetic frequency towers. They're not safe. So, if you see a tower that takes the signal from a satellite and, and relays those so you can use your cell phone, understand you're putting yourself in harms way. It works this way. If you can see it, you're within the danger zone. It's not building specific as they've tried to allow people to believe. That's misinformation. So, tell us what you know about electro-magnetic force fields."

Dr. Bill: "Electro-magnetic pollution, ah, is, literally, now, is transmitting the signals that transmit the biological-spectral frequency pattern of molecules in solution in all life forms. They've known this for a number of years. And ah, the electro-magnetic, ah, signature of a molecule in solution is, is called a Phono-Meissner wave. Basically, it is a sound, it's infrared, ah, in terms of frequency of the spectral sound of a molecule in solution. And has electro- and electrical properties in solution. If you strike a tissue or a living thing with an electro-magnetic pulse it can induce enzymes. It can tell a cell that it needs a nutrient that it already has present to induce the metabolic processes. And the result from research from Doctor Carlo and his teams, which was many millions of dollars of research that was concluded a few years ago. Prove that cell phones and other electro-magnetic pollution induce enzymes and cause the same types of DNA breaks that occur in nuclei from radiation that occur in typical refractive source. Basically, what they do is starve the cells. They tell the cells not to transport nutrients because they already have them inside the cell. The cell tries to do metabolic actions and causes serious metabolic epigenetic change. Meaning the genes are literally silenced or turned off. The metabolic processes cause internal damage. And this, in, in the brain for example, it causes ah, the induction of cancer, such as astrocytomas in the brain in the eighth cranial nerve, the hearing nerve. So people can get ah, serious symptoms caused by electro-magnetic pollution that are coming out of the earpiece in the cell phone. There is a near-plume from eight to twelve inches around the cell phone and a far-plume that's up to five and a half to six feet away. But when you're in a cell phone tower region you also have electro-magnetic pollution from the cell phone towers from your electro-magnetic and ah, computers. And these higher frequencies now are inducing enzymes, epigenetically, and switching on and off genes that cause havoc in not just human beings but other life forms.

So, it's, ah, it's gone now one million times more pollution than it was ten years ago from the proliferation of Wi-Fi towers [wireless fidelity for broadband Internet service] and cell towers. And now the increased transmission of high frequency multiplex signals from the Teledesic and Globalstar System and the LEO or low-earth-orbit satellite system. So, taken together they are literally creating an electro-magnetic, epigenetic cage that, ah, is like a madman running around inside the factory of your cells switching on and off genes that ah, causes serious and permanent damage that can reduce your ability of your brain cells to survive, induce enzymes that produce peroxynitrate and brain cell damage that can induce brain cell cancer, if your putting your cell phone on your hip or near your testicles we now know that. Sperm counts have dropped. That are been proven in studies. We know that it's inducing ah, permanent changes to the DNA that actually induce, ah, or change genes. Ah it's a very serious problem. And the number of millions of, of minutes per week that our children are listening to cell phones is going to cause a major change in behavior. We know it induces bipolar ah, brain damage 'cause it'll cause seizure-like activity. And it induces brain entrainment to external pulse magnetic fields that's augmented by glutamates like Aspartame and MSG.

So, ah, yah, EMF pollution is one of the, ones that's part of my lecture that I gave on Friday, at the AAEM Conference called The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly. And ah, people can check it out on my website, www.nutrimedical.com, n-u-t-r-i-medical. Just pull up the lecture in PowerPoint. But…"

Gary Null: "OK, let's continue on."

Dr. Bill: "And so, the idea is that we're dealing with, ah, in electro-magnetic pollution, a direct epigenetic inducer and switcher on and off of genes and metabolic processes and produces identical changes to radiation, and it's accumulative, it's permanent, and ah, it's cancer inducing, and it causes brain cell and other cell death."

Gary Null: "You also have to explain epigenetic for those who are not familiar with it."

Dr. Bill: "It means external influences, whether it's nutrient, basal cell that switches genes on and off. The signals, the electro-magnetic energy signals that can actually turn genes off or on. Ah, genes that never should be turned on, ah, that can cause cancer, and genes that should never be turned off because those metabolic processes, protect the cell, detox the cell, and rebuild cellular structure. Allow cells to turn from stem cells into normal and rebuild your muscles, your bone, and cetera, because you are always rebuilding your tissues. If those genes are switched off, then you get damage, and you get accelerated aging, and ah, ah, cell death, or cancer induction."

Gary Null: "Good"

Dr. Bill: "So that's what epigenesis' meaning is, the induces, or induction outside the cell through nutrients or energy fields that can change genes on and off or cell proteins."

Gary Null: "Alright. The next issue, Bio-Weapons. We have been a signatory to the bio-weapons, ah, offensive bio-weapons ah, treaties. We have broken every treaty. I have not heard a single word in the American media about our violation of these treaties. And there were three hundred and forty-seven accidents alone in bio-weapons facilities last year."

Dr. Bill: "Yes."

Gary Null: "Let us talk about bio-weapons now."

Dr. Bill: "Well, since the Operation Bioshield after 9-11 they've proliferated from a little over a dozen ah, special facilities that had DLC or Bio-64 Certification which is negative pressure facility proper containment. They've proliferated to many university labs that are in the center of cities, ah, many commercial or ah, what we call drug companies that are, ah, because of the new laws are allowed to become vaccine companies. Ah, they're making vaccinations against these potential bioweapons. Ah, they've had, as you've mentioned, they've had 347 accidents ah, just in BSL-4 facilities in America. Many times couriers or breaking security of ah, breaking of containment ah, because they don't have BSL-4 proper facilities. And ah, for example, in Katrina, when they had the Katrina, ah, Hurricane strike, they, all they did was, basically put a chain lock on the external chain fence around the BSL-4 facility ah, in New Orleans. So, they really are extremely sloppy. They send things through couriers and don't follow proper containment or chain of custody. Ah, and ah, these are not being handled properly. And they're highly populated centers.

And we know that many of the bio-weapons, including ah, the Lyme disease is a BSL-5 facility from ah, Plum Island off of Long Island, New York. We know that many of the other bugs like microplasma fermentas incognito was Doctor Garth Nicholson. Ah, there's a contaminant that was in the vaccine and did come back with the vets and was also was exposed to the prisoners and infected secondarily, prison guards and their families in towns across America. Ah, we know that we, we received an exchange of three years ago from the Russian bio-weapons facility. And we have, therefore, proliferated the amount of ah, new vaccines and new biological experiments we're doing. And with these accidents something inevitably is going to get out of the laboratory just because of incompetence and stupidity. So, ah, it's very concerning me here in the Porton Down facility, ah, North of England, ah, losing containment and having a, a breakout of Hoof and Mouth disease which we know because the facility there was a leak because the air wasn't properly, you know, circulated air-contained system. So, ah, it's a, it's a combination of the Keystone Cops playing ah, biological-weapons research. And it's very dangerous."

Gary Null: "Alright, let's go to weaponization of deadly vaccines and viruses including the Avian Flu, for one, where they're trying to, ah, during the House of Lords in England is trying to scare the public into demanding mass ah, Avian Flu vaccine. And yet, we have seen no evidence that there will be a world-wide pandemic. In fact, more people are killed by car accidents in one small country than all the deaths from Avian flu in the last ten years. And it's…"

Dr. Bill "Exactly."

Gary Null: "So, why should we be putting a vaccine into our body that can easily be weaponized?

Dr. Bill: "Exactly, and, if fact, I agree with you one hundred percent. Ah, there's evidence that they actually vaccinated in 1918 that the vaccine originated, that the, ah, flu of 1918 originated, was not an avian flu. It was a human pig hybrid. Ah, and that it was augmented, that the people, quote, who were vaccinated were the ones that became sick. So it may well have originated with people who were vaccinated. I agree that that is very, very probable. If you look at the gene sequences of the H-genes of the H5NN2 Avian flu, it can recombine with each of the E-702 3N2, H-3N2, and other viruses that are quote human or can infect humans and pigs. Ah, these are by recombination where their synapses or the genes are exchanged. So, the idea that they mutate is just… There's no support to suggest that mutation is a primary process, although it may occur very rarely. The primary process is just simply, the virus moves to an area, co-infects a host like a bird, or a pig, or a human being, and then swaps DNA, including the receptor binding domain, which is five genes that allows it to attach to human cells and infect them.

Ah, all they have to do now is acquire a couple amino acids on that receptor binding gene and then it will become quote, ah, able to form large clusters and to go pandemic. But that's not an easy process because you have to co-infect a, probably a pig or human host and then have the virus specifically swap the gene combinations in order to create that. Ah, the problem is that no one knows what the future virus sequence will be, if there is a pandemic. So, when they talk of creating a vaccine, it's, it's a, a fairy tale. And if they talk about force vaccinating, you can be certain there's grave danger that the vaccination process itself will release a fully weaponized virus. So, ah, I got the information from H. Aline Zirck in 1997, ah, that was smuggled out of the World Health Organization. And they were actually building the weaponized Avian Flu gene fragments using a bio-engine. And the template of the 1918 flu using exhumed bodies from miners in ah, British Columbia and Alaska. They were able to take bodies out of the permafrost and then build the gene sequences. So, if you look at the lethal genes that are now sequenced in the 1918 flu and the Hertz strains of H5N1 and there is around twelve strains. Two of them are potentials that could become, infect humans out of the both, ah, six are high pathogenic and six low-path flu. Ah, the gene sequences show very clearly, just like the TV series Lost, that the exact, ah, lethal genes are present, including some additional ones like the deletion of three amino acids like on the SN-, ah, 1 gene that bypasses interleukine-4, the alarm system of the immune system. So, it can grow in any tissue because of the poly-basic amino acid on the cleavage site, which means, like a regular flu can only grow in respiratory mucosa, this can grow in brain cells, cardiac cells, bone marrow. And so, you may not cough even once. You may pick up the Avian flu, you can incubate it in eight days, spike a fever, forty-five minutes later have a seizure, and drop dead. So, it can cause a hemorrhagic diasis which is similar to a process called DIC, or disseminated intravascular coagulopathy. So you can bleed to death. Ah, it is like an Ebola on steroids. And it has a long incubation period. So, thermal scanners in airports are useless. Ah, any attempt to hold, create a flu vaccine is useless. It's now Amantadine, ah, and Tamiflu resistant, ah, to the potential strains that make them work. Ah, it's my opinion that ah, they were playing around with the Avian flu for years. Ah, and it actually got out into the wild animals. And by itself can recombine and create a pandemic at a future date. We don't know when that will be. But, I agree that the gravest danger is that they will try to force vaccines on the populations and actually create the pandemic by putting a, ah, strains of virus that will recombine in individuals."

Gary Null: "OK, that, that is speculative. We can't prove it. We have no evidence of it. So "

Dr. Bill: "Ah, which one?" Proof that the, ah, the vaccines? Well, the vaccines could potentially carry a live, attenuated virus."

Gary Null: "Well that's true but …"

Dr. Bill: carrier the real flu and then the recombination is the perfect way to create a recombinant strain that will have the receptor binding on it."

Gary Null: "OK, but there is a difference between a casual and a causal relationship and until such time that I have absolute proof that there is a group of individuals that with malice and forethought that created a vaccine with the intent of infecting populations…"

Dr. Bill: "Oh, I'm not saying they have to have an intent. They can just give the vaccine…"

Gary Null: "Oh, well, you can have an accident. Look, we have absolute, irrefutable proof from the developer of the most vaccines in American, if not in world history.

Dr. Bill: "Right."

Gary Null: "This is a man who is in .… Have you seen my film Vaccine Nation?"

Dr. Bill: "Yes."

Gary Null: "OK, the director's cut?"

Dr. Bill: "Ah, yes, I believe, yah."

Gary Null: "OK, well, that's the latest one that we have. In there, the developer of twelve vaccines, including the influenza vaccine, the hepatitis vaccine, the measles vaccine, just before he died, ah, a Professor from the University of Toronto …"

Dr. Bill: "Right."

Gary Null: "… filmed him. He invited us. During this interview he said, on the record, for the first time, that every single vaccine that he knew of was infected with stealth viruses, including the SV-40, Simian Virus-40."

Dr. Bill: "Of course it was. And, in fact, I've seen the, ah, video clips of Doctor Jonas Salk who stated the same thing about the SV-40."

Gary Null: "OK, it was, it was Sabin, whose original vaccine was infected. And he met with Sabin because Sabin's vaccine, ah, the polio vaccine, was created by Merck. And this is the man who worked on it. And they were friends. And when he, when he said in the interview was that, ah, that 'I got some bad news, you know, we took some of the virus out and it was, it was SV-40, stealth viruses. And this, when injected into hamsters cause cancer.' Sabin was very angry and asked what they should do about it. And they just decided to cover it up. Now, later, it would come out through the Freedom of Information Act that rare cancers were occurring in people who had taken that vaccine, the polio vaccine. And the government acknowledged that it covered up. The CDC acknowledged that it covered up. The very same CDC that allowed five hundred and, approximately five hundred African-American men and women to be infected with Syphilis and chose to watch them over a forty year period."

Dr Bill: "Gary, you're talking about Tuskegee, right?"

Gary Null: "Yah, the Tuskegee Experiment."

Dr Bill: "Yah, I took care of people who actually were still alive in Tuskegee, in Georgia. I took care of them."

Gary Null: "Well, you know that Syphilis, the spirochetes from Syphilis can actually be transmitted in sweat. So that meant that if you kiss someone, that if you shook their hand you could actually get syphilis. Now just imagine how many people in forty years are infecting other people. You could have millions of Americans have Syphilis. And then, if they have syphilis through this form, and pass it on, it's congenital. You would never be able to test and find it. Ah, yet it could be harboring itself in the central nervous system, in the eye, and the brain. So, these are the same people who have been overseeing our vaccine program."

Dr Bill: "Exactly."

Gary Null: "There's a difference between not trusting because they are of low moral, low character, no ethics. That's been proven by what they have done.

But here's another thing. Glaxo-Smith-Kline continues to vaccinate in a trial even though twelve babies died. Let me quote this. It says, quote, 'According to an article in Trading Markets dot com at least a dozen babies have died in a pneumonia vaccine trial conducted by Glaxo-Smith-Kline in Argentina. The Argentine Federation of Health Professionals asserts that children of poor families are being used for the trials and parents are bullied into signing consent forms. The trials are still continuing even though at least twelve infants have already died. Ah, the group maintains that there is no state control and that there are no ethical requirements. This doesn't come as any surprise to anyone who knows how' these kids, ah, 'these kinds of human trials usually occur. Generally speaking, vaccine trials are conducted in third world countries on poor people who often feel trapped into participating in human health experiments in order to receive medical care or other necessities. One doesn't find these kinds of experiments going on in places like the United States or Europe where names and faces of victims would surely get out into the media and cause a big stir. Instead, the infants of impoverished people who often can't even read of write are used in the trials. Apparently the lead investigator of the trial didn't think it was any big concern that twelve babies have already died since the deaths from respiratory disease caused by the Pneumococcal bacteria kill even more people. Of course, there is no comfort to the poor mothers whose babies are sacrificed for the monetary gains of the pharmaceutical giant.'

And I might mention that, that all we had to do is look at the film, The Constant Gardener, starring Ralph Finnes.

Dr Bill: "Oh yes. One of the…"

Gary Null: "While the story is fictional, ah, the viewer is better able to get a better feel for how drug vaccine trials are conducted. And ah, it was actually, ah, when I was watching the film, I thought it was relatively straight forward. So, now we're supposed to believe that if the government tells us we need a vaccine, to roll up our shirts. And I'm saying, I just finished the most comprehensive film along with Mannette Loudon, our executive producer on this. And we spent seven years on this.

Dr Bill: "I know you did an amazing amount of research on this that shows that they're either incompetent or unethical."

Gary Null: "Yah, well, they're both, they are both. If, if you want to see some scientists who, who really haven't got it right, look at their rationale for their, their, ah, the science ah, vaccination. And now they're including more and more. And they're trying to get it mandated. For example,"

Dr Bill: "The mandate. Ah, these mandates, it's not just the incompetence, now they're combining…. I just got a report last week of a vaccine for children with seven vaccines in it. And their plan next year the American Academy of Pediatrics is to have twenty-seven vaccines in the first day of life which according to other experts like Doctor Russell Blalock with the induction ah, of inflammatory markers in the brain. They're already putting markers in the brains on fire for years, causing permanent brain damage, increasing the rates of all these agivents and viral…"

Gary Null: "Well, we, the Academy of Pediatrics is a sellout organization. No one should respect them. These are the, these are the lowest of the low in medicine. These are lower that an ambulance chasing physician. And I believe they should be personally held responsible for crimes against humanity for what they have done for, in acknowledging ADD and ADHD, all these, all these conditions that do not exist in reality in these children. Acknowledging and allowing kids to be diagnosed with social-anxiety disorder and defiance disorder and math disorder. And these are nonsense. And, and these people are grossly incompetent, [have] no ethics whatsoever, [are] utter cowards, or they would stand up as Doctor Robert Mendelsson, a pediatrician, and others have done. And there are a handful who've stood up and said, 'we can't continue to sacrifice our children because the money and influence that it gives us with the pharmaceutical industry.' But that is another story. But I can assure you, that I will be showing up at the, well, ah, ah, I don't want to go into that. I'm not letting this cat out of the bag. I can assure you that the top members of the Academy of Pediatrics will not like when they go eyeball to eyeball with me. At the outset…"

Dr Bill: "I know you have the facts.

Gary Null: "Well, I have more than the facts. I've got, I've got a whole lot of energy behind this. Were you down to the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine on Saturday?

Dr Bill: "Yes I was."

Gary Null: "Were you in on, did you have a chance to stop by my lecture?"

Dr Bill: "Ah, no, but I'm going to have a look at the PowerPoint lecture afterwards because there were just so many things going on there. But I, I, …were powerful… "

Gary Null: "Take a look, take a look at how I dealt with the cynics and skeptics in the audience on this. So, we are, we will be mandating a national challenge. We will fight back."

Dr Bill: "Well, we have to take action too as the Academy and other organizations because ah, if we don't, I don't see how the public should respect us as physicians at all."

Gary Null: "Well, they shouldn't, they shouldn't. Remember, your guild, your group, are responsible for more preventable deaths than any other cause in America. You kill more people than cancer. You kill more people than stroke. You kill more people than diabetes. And that's every year. So, when your group…"

Dr Bill: "And if you stand up to them, you are under the fire of the State Medical Boards or the drug companies. Ah, it's even worse."

Gary Null: "But then again, what I've done is given you some tools to help you, to help your cause. I've given you Death by Medicine. I've given you the report that has never been refuted and has gone to every one of the seven thousand journalists in the United States. It went to every member of Congress. It went to every one of the fifty state legislators. And not one single human being responded to it. But there are the facts. But, then, we gave you The Drugging of Our Children documentary. We gave you Prescription for Disaster documentary, Gulf War Syndrome: Killing Our Own documentary, AIDS, Inc. documentary. So you do have some tools from which to challenge them in return. And now we have a new one coming out in three months on autism that we worked on for seven years. We're in our editing now. We're at the end of the, the, this process. And then when we follow that up with another documentary coming out in January [2009] called Death by Medicine: the Documentary. So, you're not without tools to use in showing how they're wrong and how you're there to protect the freedom of choice of Americans. Here's my last area and then we've got to get this out to the public. Ah, … let's see. I had one more area I wanted to go into … Morgellon's disease.

Dr Bill: "Ah, OK, well, Morgellon's disease is obviously a, ah, a, ah, non-natural organism. There are several theories about it. That it is a, ah, a, ah, gene-modified agro-bacterium with a plasma that is actually inserting and changing genes. The other theory is that this is, in fact, is a silicon-based, ah, ah, nano-technology, ah, which seems to have quite a bit of support from the research that's done with Doctor Karim Karjull, Hildegard Stanninger, and, ah, Doctor Mike Council, and others. Ah, and anyway, it is a real disorder. It is now being researched by real, ah, medical doctors and experts. Some have tried to pretend that it doesn't exist, no different that the depleted uranium exposure or the exposure to these crazy vaccines, ah vaccines with anthrax. But it is real. Morgellon's is now, as of, ah, between twenty and thirty thousand registered that say they have Morgellon's syndrome. I don't see how professionals just in America in the last, ah, couple of years. So, it's a growing problem. Ah, and there appears to be a direct link to ah, spraying of material, that has been analyzed chemically. And there's a good deal of evidence that's posted from some material that was picked up near Phoenix that shows some very unusual chemical patterns, in this, ah, in this particular, ah, how can I say it, nano-fibers would be the best way to describe it. So, there's a lot of questions. But it doesn't fit any other kind of regular pathogen we've ever seen before."

Gary Null: "Well, it, it's a nano-pathogen.

Dr Bill: "Right"

Gary Null: "But it's a nano-pathogen with intelligence. It knows how to grow back. You can pull the fibers and the fibers will all come out of a lesion on your skin. And it looks like a bunch of wires, ah, that come out. And then when they examine these, these are in the same family as, as a Teflon. And they're not normal in nature. And they're not normal in the human body. And they're a form of cellulose. And again cellulose doesn't grow in the body. So, these were, these are weaponized. They're in chemtrails. Ah, and no one has asked for a Congressional Hearing on these. Morgellon's cannot be explained. I have photographs of someone who has 200 lesions on their body. And you see…"

Dr Bill: "Unbelievable, isn't it."

Gary Null: "And you see these four- and five- and six-inch fibers curling out of their skin. And it, they say it feels like glass underneath their skin. And you pull it out. And it grows back."

Dr Bill: "And it also has group intelligence almost like army ants or insects. There's a, if you want to call it a group, ah, connectivity that occurs. It's very unusual. I've never seen anything like it or anybody else, like Doctor Karjull or anyone else. Literally, it acts like a self-replicating nano-machine. And it's not even carbon-based from what we can see. It has chemical properties that don't place it in the regular life-forms that we assume are on earth that are carbon-based."

Gary Null: "Well, there are none, there is no, there is no precedent for it. This, this literally is the Andromeda strain."

Dr Bill: "Right. This is a…"

Gary Null: "And so scientists…"

Dr Bill: "This is a technology too. The other thing that is interesting is there is some evidence that it may even be able to ah, epigenetically, through its scalar signal actually induce specific DNA changes in the host, which is really bizarre. Ah, and so, there are co-infections with other pathogens that are regular pathogens that we see along with this. It doesn't make sense because the regular routes of transfer of the pathogens are not there. So, it's almost as if the Morgellon's is capable of carrying, ah, genetic signals and actually inducing gene changes in the host."

Gary Null: "Well, I'm going to be asking Dennis Kucinich on tomorrow's show, 'Why doesn't he convene a hearing, and bring in the CDC, bring in the other National Institutes of Health.' And then we will bring in some of the scientists we know who will tell what has happened when we've had these analyzed at independent labs, including MIT's lab. And to prove that this is something that is a threat to the American population now. Ah." Dr Bill: "I think UC Davis is looking at it and also the pathologists at the University of Oklahoma … are looking at it as well."

Gary Null: "Doctor, Doctor William Deagle, thank you for being on. Give your website again.

Dr Bill: "Website is nutrimedical, n-u-t-r-i-medical dot com. The show is on Genesis Network, GNC Live dot com where you can listen live my show, n-u-t-r-i-medical dot com from two to five Central time, three to six Eastern. Ah, and, I'd definitely like to get back on, ah, Gary because we need to spend a lot more time with these issues. They are incredible issues. They are real issues. And they're certainly not in the theory zone, it's in the reality zone."

Gary Null: "You're right. And I'll look forward to our next conversation together."

Dr Bill: "I appreciate it Gary. Thank you. And everyone check out the facts and then take action. Don't sit by.

Gary Null: "Well this audience doesn't sit by.

Dr Bill: "That's good."

Gary Null: "Doctor, Doctor Deagle, D-e-a-g-l-e, is a Board Certified physician in family practice. He is also ah, an instructor at the University of ah, ah, Colorado School of Medicine. He is a member of the College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. And the American Academy of Environmental Medicine and the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine. I'm Gary Null. Back in a moment."

Transcript from The Gary Null Show, 7-22-08, 10:20 to 51:23 From www.somethingshappening.com Just click on What happened for the calendar. and http://www.virtuallybaroque.com/roh/2008/2008.htm but archived for only 70 days. or go to www.GaryNull.com Just look to the top right of the home page, click on Info & Resources, scroll down to Radio Show Archives. Then click for several Progressive Radio Network (PRN) programs by date. http://www.garynull.progressiveradionetwork.org/

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